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From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: Any honest person that knows the x86 language can see...
Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2024 12:31:27 -0500
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On 7/31/2024 2:48 AM, Mikko wrote:
> On 2024-07-31 07:42:42 +0000, Mikko said:
> 
>> On 2024-07-30 14:21:02 +0000, olcott said:
>>
>>> On 7/30/2024 1:52 AM, Mikko wrote:
>>>> On 2024-07-29 14:07:53 +0000, olcott said:
>>>>
>>>>> HHH(Infinite_Recursion) and HHH(DDD) show the same non-halting
>>>>> behavior pattern in their derived execution traces of their
>>>>> inputs.
>>>>
>>>> Hard to believe as their behaviour is so different and you don't
>>>> say what pattern the see.
>>>
>>> *Its all in the part that you erased*
>>>
>>> *Infinite_Recursion correctly emulated by HHH*
>>> *THREE lines repeat with no conditional branch instructions*
>>> Begin Local Halt Decider Simulation   Execution Trace Stored at:113934
>>> [0000215a][00113924][00113928] 55         push ebp      ; 1st line
>>> [0000215b][00113924][00113928] 8bec       mov ebp,esp   ; 2nd line
>>> [0000215d][00113920][00002162] e8f8ffffff call 0000215a ; 3rd line
>>> [0000215a][0011391c][00113924] 55         push ebp      ; 1st line
>>> [0000215b][0011391c][00113924] 8bec       mov ebp,esp   ; 2nd line
>>> [0000215d][00113918][00002162] e8f8ffffff call 0000215a ; 3rd line
>>> Local Halt Decider: Infinite Recursion Detected Simulation Stopped
>>>
>>> *DDD correctly emulated by HHH*
>>> *FOUR lines repeat with no conditional branch instructions*
>>> Begin Local Halt Decider Simulation   Execution Trace Stored at:113895
>>> [00002177][00113885][00113889] 55         push ebp      ; 1st line
>>> [00002178][00113885][00113889] 8bec       mov ebp,esp   ; 2nd line
>>> [0000217a][00113881][00002177] 6877210000 push 00002177 ; push DDD
>>> [0000217f][0011387d][00002184] e853f4ffff call 000015d7 ; call HHH
>>> [00002177][0015e2ad][0015e2b1] 55         push ebp      ; 1st line
>>> [00002178][0015e2ad][0015e2b1] 8bec       mov ebp,esp   ; 2nd line
>>> [0000217a][0015e2a9][00002177] 6877210000 push 00002177 ; push DDD
>>> [0000217f][0015e2a5][00002184] e853f4ffff call 000015d7 ; call HHH
>>> Local Halt Decider: Infinite Recursion Detected Simulation Stopped
>>
>> As that part does not show the anwer it seems best to assume that they
>> do not see the same pattern or the pattern is not a real non-halting
>> behaviour pattern. Of course, if a proof is ever presented, we may need
>> to reconsider, but it is very unlikely that any such proof will ever
>> be presented.
> 
> Forgot to mention that the above traces confirm one thing: they are
> incomplete. At least relevant register values should be shown.
> 

This algorithm is used by all the simulating termination analyzers:
<MIT Professor Sipser agreed to ONLY these verbatim words 10/13/2022>
     If *simulating halt decider H correctly simulates its input D*
     *until H correctly determines that its simulated D would never*
     *stop running unless aborted* then

     H can abort its simulation of D and correctly report that D
     specifies a non-halting sequence of configurations.
</MIT Professor Sipser agreed to ONLY these verbatim words 10/13/2022>

In other words you persistently insist on dishonestly
providing a fake rebuttal that has already been fully refuted.

-- 
Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius
hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer