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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: This function proves that only the outermost HHH examines the execution trace Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2024 12:33:38 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 46 Message-ID: <v8dshi$1mg72$4@dont-email.me> References: <v80h07$2su8m$3@dont-email.me> <0amdndFJSZSzYD77nZ2dnZfqnPednZ2d@brightview.co.uk> <v8102f$2vo8u$1@dont-email.me> <v83fhe$3gihn$1@dont-email.me> <v83hmk$3gvj7$1@dont-email.me> <v83jc9$3gihm$1@dont-email.me> <v83juc$3ham9$1@dont-email.me> <v8519e$3s7bv$1@dont-email.me> <v88h9e$i7kl$7@dont-email.me> <v8a31r$u7n5$1@dont-email.me> <v8btl5$184u7$3@dont-email.me> <v8cval$1hf7s$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2024 19:33:39 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="d6c56e3cc0e766a5f243fbbf3db0d44a"; logging-data="1786082"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18PZEOvVEQhod9ySxO3r9T2" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:lfN8dcjRtegO5xTrZwMnUuBWH5k= In-Reply-To: <v8cval$1hf7s$1@dont-email.me> Content-Language: en-US Bytes: 3219 On 7/31/2024 4:15 AM, Mikko wrote: > On 2024-07-30 23:40:21 +0000, olcott said: > >> On 7/30/2024 2:00 AM, Mikko wrote: >>> On 2024-07-29 16:50:53 +0000, olcott said: >>> >>>> On 7/28/2024 3:59 AM, Mikko wrote: >>>>> On 2024-07-27 20:05:31 +0000, olcott said: >>>>>> If you had sufficient understanding of the x86 language >>>>>> you would know that DDD is correctly emulated by HHH. >>>>> >>>>> If you had suffient understanding of x86 language and correctness >>>>> you would know that DDD is incorrectly emnulated by HHH. >>>> >>>> This is only seems that way because every reviewer makes sure >>>> to ignore one aspect of the basis of another. >>> >>> It is perfectly OK to ignore irrelevant details. A relevant detail >>> is the meaning of the word "emulate" as that determines what is a >>> correct emulation and what is not. >> >> *It is not OK to ignore* >> >> This algorithm is used by all the simulating termination analyzers: >> <MIT Professor Sipser agreed to ONLY these verbatim words 10/13/2022> >> If simulating halt decider *H correctly simulates its input D* >> *until H correctly determines that its simulated D would never* >> *stop running unless aborted* then >> >> H can abort its simulation of D and correctly report that D >> specifies a non-halting sequence of configurations. >> </MIT Professor Sipser agreed to ONLY these verbatim words 10/13/2022> >> >> for DDD correctly emulated by HHH until... > > It is as Sipser does not say whether DDD is correctly simulated by HHH > or what would constitute a correct simulation. > This has already been fully established elsewhere. -- Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer