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From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: Any honest person that knows the x86 language can see... predict
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Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2024 16:27:58 -0500
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On 7/31/2024 3:09 PM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
> Op 31.jul.2024 om 18:32 schreef olcott:
>> On 7/31/2024 11:17 AM, joes wrote:
>>> Am Wed, 31 Jul 2024 10:02:26 -0500 schrieb olcott:
>>>> On 7/31/2024 9:16 AM, joes wrote:
>>>>> Am Wed, 31 Jul 2024 05:52:54 -0500 schrieb olcott:
>>>>>> On 7/31/2024 3:54 AM, joes wrote:
>>>>>>> Am Tue, 30 Jul 2024 16:13:55 -0500 schrieb olcott:
>>>>>>>> On 7/30/2024 4:07 PM, joes wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Am Tue, 30 Jul 2024 15:05:54 -0500 schrieb olcott:
>>>>>>>>>> On 7/30/2024 1:48 PM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Op 30.jul.2024 om 17:14 schreef olcott:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/30/2024 9:51 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Op 30.jul.2024 om 16:21 schreef olcott:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/30/2024 1:52 AM, Mikko wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-07-29 14:07:53 +0000, olcott said:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I proved otherwise. When the abort code is commented out then it
>>>>>>>>>> keeps repeating again and again, thus conclusively proving 
>>>>>>>>>> that is
>>>>>>>>>> must be aborted or HHH never halts.
>>>>>>>>> But the abort is not commented out in the running code!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I modified the original code by commenting out the abort and it 
>>>>>>>> does
>>>>>>>> endlessly repeat just like HHH correctly predicted.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes, and that modification makes HHH not call itself
>>>>>> Not at all. It makes HHH stop aborting DDD.
>>>>>> So that HHH and DDD endlessly repeat.
>>>>
>>>>> Commenting out a section changes the program.
>>>> This conclusively proving that this section was required.
>>> When you put in the abort, it also appears in the simulated HHH.
>>>
>>
>> Yet this is unreachable in the same way that in a single file
>> foot race with everyone going the same speed and everyone
>> 15 feet ahead of the next person that the first person must win.
> 
> Yet that is no reason for the person in front to kill all other people, 
> because otherwise they would not stop running.
> The first person will stop at the finish, the second person will stop at 
> the finish, the third .... etc.
> 
> There is no reason to assume that there are persons that will keep 
> running indefinitely.
> 
>>
>> The outermost HHH sees that it must abort one whole execution
>> trace sooner than the next inner HHH.
> 
> But it is wrong to assume that the simulated HHH would not have halted 
> when not aborted. 

It has never been an assumption is has always been a
tautology that has always been over your head. Joes
may be catching up with the Linz proof.

> This is proved when HHH is simulated by a non-aborting 
> simulator, such as HHH1. A correct simulation shows that the simulated 
> HHH does not need to be aborted.
> 

When we remove the abort code it keeps repeating.
When we don't remove the abort code it gets aborted.
An average first year comp sci student can get this.

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