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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: Hypothetical possibilities --- Correct emulation has been proven for three years Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2024 06:28:16 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 45 Message-ID: <v8frgh$24rl1$2@dont-email.me> References: <v7gl30$3j9fi$1@dont-email.me> <v7led6$kacj$1@dont-email.me> <v7lsg5$luh0$5@dont-email.me> <v7nm9m$1433k$1@dont-email.me> <v7ofe7$17h8r$6@dont-email.me> <v7qfu0$1m6vf$1@dont-email.me> <v7r040$1onhe$3@dont-email.me> <v7vlbj$2ofet$1@dont-email.me> <v80a2u$2rabc$4@dont-email.me> <v825jo$39i9l$1@dont-email.me> <v82u9d$3dftr$3@dont-email.me> <v8306v$3c7$1@news.muc.de> <v83161$3dftr$11@dont-email.me> <v84udt$3rp4t$1@dont-email.me> <v8bc6j$159av$1@dont-email.me> <ea673a5b4ed43fbddf938c69bd013b0cf2ca325d@i2pn2.org> <v8c6kb$1de3l$1@dont-email.me> <9f3112e056ad6eebf35f940c34b802b46addcad4@i2pn2.org> <v8cde0$1ecgo$1@dont-email.me> <v8ctgt$1gbu7$4@dont-email.me> <v8dkc3$1kii7$3@dont-email.me> <v8e55v$1nrnh$1@dont-email.me> <v8e9vu$1oqd7$1@dont-email.me> <4a0d6c844899ab1354b5f5013e3e8342aa2efb9f@i2pn2.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2024 13:28:17 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="3121e7e48560b53e45601f59b50fa691"; logging-data="2256545"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19cC/vnLJQo0gCKhkAGlsMu" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:cGK9DKQ5Ou/pLCQQjUdKSkWJu9Q= In-Reply-To: <4a0d6c844899ab1354b5f5013e3e8342aa2efb9f@i2pn2.org> Content-Language: en-US Bytes: 3411 On 8/1/2024 2:20 AM, joes wrote: > Am Wed, 31 Jul 2024 16:23:09 -0500 schrieb olcott: >> On 7/31/2024 3:01 PM, Fred. Zwarts wrote: >>> Op 31.jul.2024 om 17:14 schreef olcott: >>>> On 7/31/2024 3:44 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote: >>>>> Op 31.jul.2024 om 06:09 schreef olcott: > >>>>>> We don't show any of HHH and show the execution trace of of just DDD >>>>>> assuming that HHH is an x86 emulator. >>>>> This assumption is incorrect if it means that HHH is an unconditional >>>>> simulator that does not abort. >>>> This algorithm is used by all the simulating termination analyzers: > >>> So, Sipser only agreed to a correct simulation, not with an incorrect >>> simulation that violates the semantics of the x86 language by skipping >>> the last few instructions of a halting program. >>> >> int DD() >> { >> int Halt_Status = HHH(DD); >> if (Halt_Status) >> HERE: goto HERE; >> return Halt_Status; >> } >> int main() >> { >> HHH(DD); >> } >> DD correctly emulated by HHH cannot possibly reach its own second line. > If HHH can't simulate itself, it is not a decider. > So we are back to your lack of software engineering skill. You cannot see that the second instruction of DD correctly* emulated by HHH cannot possibly be reached by DD. This remains true no matter how many levels that HHH emulates itself emulating DD. *According to the x86 semantics of DD and HHH -- Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer