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From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com>
Newsgroups: comp.theory
Subject: Re: Hypothetical possibilities --- Correct emulation has been proven
 for three years
Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2024 06:28:16 -0500
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On 8/1/2024 2:20 AM, joes wrote:
> Am Wed, 31 Jul 2024 16:23:09 -0500 schrieb olcott:
>> On 7/31/2024 3:01 PM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
>>> Op 31.jul.2024 om 17:14 schreef olcott:
>>>> On 7/31/2024 3:44 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
>>>>> Op 31.jul.2024 om 06:09 schreef olcott:
> 
>>>>>> We don't show any of HHH and show the execution trace of of just DDD
>>>>>> assuming that HHH is an x86 emulator.
>>>>> This assumption is incorrect if it means that HHH is an unconditional
>>>>> simulator that does not abort.
>>>> This algorithm is used by all the simulating termination analyzers:
> 
>>> So, Sipser only agreed to a correct simulation, not with an incorrect
>>> simulation that violates the semantics of the x86 language by skipping
>>> the last few instructions of a halting program.
>>>
>> int DD()
>> {
>>     int Halt_Status = HHH(DD);
>>     if (Halt_Status)
>>       HERE: goto HERE;
>>     return Halt_Status;
>> }
>> int main()
>> {
>>     HHH(DD);
>> }
>> DD correctly emulated by HHH cannot possibly reach its own second line.
> If HHH can't simulate itself, it is not a decider.
> 

So we are back to your lack of software engineering skill.
You cannot see that the second instruction of DD correctly*
emulated by HHH cannot possibly be reached by DD. This
remains true no matter how many levels that HHH emulates
itself emulating DD.

*According to the x86 semantics of DD and HHH


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