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From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: This function proves that only the outermost HHH examines the
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Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2024 07:56:27 -0500
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On 8/1/2024 7:52 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
> Op 01.aug.2024 om 14:03 schreef olcott:
>> On 8/1/2024 2:52 AM, Mikko wrote:
>>> On 2024-07-31 17:33:38 +0000, olcott said:
>>>
>>>> On 7/31/2024 4:15 AM, Mikko wrote:
>>>>> On 2024-07-30 23:40:21 +0000, olcott said:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 7/30/2024 2:00 AM, Mikko wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2024-07-29 16:50:53 +0000, olcott said:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 7/28/2024 3:59 AM, Mikko wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 2024-07-27 20:05:31 +0000, olcott said:
>>>>>>>>>> If you had sufficient understanding of the x86 language
>>>>>>>>>> you would know that DDD is correctly emulated by HHH.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If you had suffient understanding of x86 language and correctness
>>>>>>>>> you would know that DDD is incorrectly emnulated by HHH.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This is only seems that way because every reviewer makes sure
>>>>>>>> to ignore one aspect of the basis of another.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It is perfectly OK to ignore irrelevant details. A relevant detail
>>>>>>> is the meaning of the word "emulate" as that determines what is a
>>>>>>> correct emulation and what is not.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *It is not OK to ignore*
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This algorithm is used by all the simulating termination analyzers:
>>>>>> <MIT Professor Sipser agreed to ONLY these verbatim words 10/13/2022>
>>>>>>      If simulating halt decider *H correctly simulates its input D*
>>>>>>      *until H correctly determines that its simulated D would never*
>>>>>>      *stop running unless aborted* then
>>>>>>
>>>>>>      H can abort its simulation of D and correctly report that D
>>>>>>      specifies a non-halting sequence of configurations.
>>>>>> </MIT Professor Sipser agreed to ONLY these verbatim words 
>>>>>> 10/13/2022>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> for DDD correctly emulated by HHH until...
>>>>>
>>>>> It is as Sipser does not say whether DDD is correctly simulated by HHH
>>>>> or what would constitute a correct simulation.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> This has already been fully established elsewhere.
>>>
>>> You have never shown any proof about either "correctly".
>>>
>>
>> When instructions are executed/emulated according to the
>> semantics of the x86 language then they are executed/emulated
>> correctly.
>>
> 
> But only those instructions. A halting program is simulated correctly if 
> no instructions are skipped.


Correctly and correctly and completely are not the
same damn thing you freaking moron.

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