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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: Any honest person that knows the x86 language can see... predict correctly Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2024 08:04:23 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 53 Message-ID: <v8g14o$25l0a$9@dont-email.me> References: <v887np$gl15$1@dont-email.me> <v8a2j5$u4t6$1@dont-email.me> <v8asse$12hr3$2@dont-email.me> <v8aukp$12grj$1@dont-email.me> <v8b00m$12ojm$1@dont-email.me> <v8bchs$15ai5$1@dont-email.me> <v8bh32$15une$1@dont-email.me> <d89f03c5a605f010ec3c83c50137b983dc85848e@i2pn2.org> <v8bl2j$16ibk$2@dont-email.me> <tiuiaj5jf0jqcfcfntko5hufisp8mb93bm@4ax.com> <v8bu91$18b7k$2@dont-email.me> <ddb7a467da20b6a6bd90aee9735a62ae68cac50e.camel@gmail.com> <v8f0ni$204k7$1@dont-email.me> <v8fehe$22ege$1@dont-email.me> <v8fssh$24rl1$5@dont-email.me> <v8g0l3$24u77$2@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2024 15:04:24 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="3121e7e48560b53e45601f59b50fa691"; logging-data="2282506"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18j8Y8lPUPNhA4TmmJ8E1bJ" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:j0z20rvi38lvEIO0k3RiJKF+M9Q= In-Reply-To: <v8g0l3$24u77$2@dont-email.me> Content-Language: en-US Bytes: 3098 On 8/1/2024 7:56 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote: > Op 01.aug.2024 om 13:51 schreef olcott: >> On 8/1/2024 2:46 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote: >>> Op 01.aug.2024 om 05:51 schreef olcott: >>>> On 7/31/2024 10:08 PM, wij wrote: >>>>> On Tue, 2024-07-30 at 18:50 -0500, olcott wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> It is not supposed to be a general solution to the halting problem. >>>>>> it only shows how the "impossible" input is correctly determined >>>>>> to be non halting. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> But how do you determine it is non-halting? >>>>> >>>>> As I know you are even unable to define what 'halt' mean !!! >>>>> >>>> I have done this thousands of times and after someone >>>> has read these thousands of times they say that I never >>>> said it once. >>>> >>>> void DDD() >>>> { >>>> HHH(DDD); >>>> return; >>>> } >>>> >>>> int main() >>>> { >>>> HHH(DDD); >>>> } >>>> >>>> If DDD correctly emulated by HHH cannot possibly >>>> reach its return instruction then it never halts. >>>> >>>> >>> >>> But a correct simulation is impossible. >> >> When HHH does what-ever-the-hell the x86 semantics specifies >> then HHH is correct. >> > > But since HHH deviates from the semantics of the x86 language (by > skipping instructions of a halting program) it is incorrect. > Only a freaking moron would believe that a non terminating input should be simulated forever. -- Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer