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From: AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org>
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Subject: Re: Some bicycle paths...
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On 8/1/2024 4:00 AM, zen cycle wrote:
> On 7/28/2024 12:22 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>> On 7/28/2024 10:53 AM, zen cycle wrote:
>>> On 7/28/2024 10:12 AM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>> On 7/28/2024 6:10 AM, zen cycle wrote:
>>>>> On 7/27/2024 8:52 AM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>>> On 7/27/2024 6:19 AM, zen cycle wrote:
>>>>>>> On 7/26/2024 3:09 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 7/26/2024 1:49 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 7/26/2024 9:14 AM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 7/25/2024 9:57 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/25/2024 3:27 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/25/2024 1:01 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Purposely irritating others is fun to people 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> who are childish and obnoxious.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> And yet, autos with political candidate stickers 
>>>>>>>>>>>> are common.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Interesting viewpoint. So expressing approval for 
>>>>>>>>>>> a candidate in an election is childish and 
>>>>>>>>>>> obnoxious? Really?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I see many more right wing examples than left 
>>>>>>>>>>> wing examples. And when it comes to obscene 
>>>>>>>>>>> examples, it's not even close.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "> I see many more right wing examples"
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> That's because you take offense at them and 
>>>>>>>>>> blithely disregard the left wing stickers. 
>>>>>>>>>> Perfectly normal response BTW, nothing wrong with 
>>>>>>>>>> that but see it as it is.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I know what confirmation bias is, thank you. I 
>>>>>>>>> suppose this fine side point could be settled by 
>>>>>>>>> actual counts. You know, data.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> But the fundamental point is that candidate 
>>>>>>>>> stickers are not necessarily intended to irritate 
>>>>>>>>> others, as you implied. Most are intended to 
>>>>>>>>> express support for a candidate, just as similar 
>>>>>>>>> ones saying "Vote for the [police, or fire, school 
>>>>>>>>> or library] levy."
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> And they've been ruled a first amendment right.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Excellent analysis.
>>>>>>>> Now just extend your argument one Amendment further...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ok. how about SCOTUS has repeated ruled the right to 
>>>>>>> free speech is not absolute. Let's extend that to the 
>>>>>>> 2nd amendment.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Personally I think they are wrong on both counts but 
>>>>>> that hasn't stopped them from either.
>>>>>
>>>>> except when it comes to banning books in school 
>>>>> libraries....You're fine with that, but you're not fine 
>>>>> with banning guns in schools. Gee I wonder how many 
>>>>> kids have died over the years from reading Catcher in 
>>>>> the Rye?
>>>>
>>>> You conflated limits on prurient materials to minor 
>>>> children in State funded facilities with 'book banning'. 
>>>> Utterly different things.
>>>
>>> No, it isn't. Book banning is book banning regardless of 
>>> the motive or source of funding for the materials. Nice 
>>> try at defection, especially considering much of the 
>>> books being banned in school libraries aren't 'prurient' 
>>> by even the loosest definition of 'prurient'. Books with 
>>> discussions on slavery and experiences of racism are 
>>> hardly prurient, yet you have made no distinction between 
>>> those and books depicting graphic sex.
>>
>> You mistake my position.  I oppose ideological book 
>> censorship and have been carping about the loss of 
>> Huckleberry Finn to younger generations for decades.
>>
>> [People who haven't actually read it get incensed at 
>> certain words out of context while ignoring that it is 
>> among the most beautifully, powerfully crafted anti racism 
>> works ever.]
>>
>> I could not phrase it better than this:
>> http://www.yellowjersey.org/photosfromthepast/reading.jpg
>>
>> That said, normalizing sexual deviance to preteens is 
>> different in kind.
> 
> That's funny becasue every time I've mentioned actual works 
> of literature being lumped in with bans on sexually graphic 
> material, you respond with a shrug, if any response at all.

If I recall you only mentioned Catcher in the Rye (a work I 
have not read) which is $1.63 up to anyone as of this morning:

https://www.alibris.com/booksearch?mtype=B&keyword=catcher+in+the+rye&hs.x=0&hs.y=0

Or just get the SparkNotes for 99c
-- 
Andrew Muzi
am@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971