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From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: Any honest person that knows the x86 language can see... predict
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Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2024 08:08:29 -0500
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On 8/1/2024 8:01 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
> Op 01.aug.2024 om 14:01 schreef olcott:
>> On 8/1/2024 2:52 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
>>> Op 31.jul.2024 om 23:27 schreef olcott:
>>>> On 7/31/2024 3:09 PM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
>>>>> Op 31.jul.2024 om 18:32 schreef olcott:
>>>>>> On 7/31/2024 11:17 AM, joes wrote:
>>>>>>> Am Wed, 31 Jul 2024 10:02:26 -0500 schrieb olcott:
>>>>>>>> On 7/31/2024 9:16 AM, joes wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Am Wed, 31 Jul 2024 05:52:54 -0500 schrieb olcott:
>>>>>>>>>> On 7/31/2024 3:54 AM, joes wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Am Tue, 30 Jul 2024 16:13:55 -0500 schrieb olcott:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/30/2024 4:07 PM, joes wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Am Tue, 30 Jul 2024 15:05:54 -0500 schrieb olcott:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/30/2024 1:48 PM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Op 30.jul.2024 om 17:14 schreef olcott:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/30/2024 9:51 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Op 30.jul.2024 om 16:21 schreef olcott:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/30/2024 1:52 AM, Mikko wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-07-29 14:07:53 +0000, olcott said:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I proved otherwise. When the abort code is commented out 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> then it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> keeps repeating again and again, thus conclusively proving 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> must be aborted or HHH never halts.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> But the abort is not commented out in the running code!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I modified the original code by commenting out the abort and 
>>>>>>>>>>>> it does
>>>>>>>>>>>> endlessly repeat just like HHH correctly predicted.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, and that modification makes HHH not call itself
>>>>>>>>>> Not at all. It makes HHH stop aborting DDD.
>>>>>>>>>> So that HHH and DDD endlessly repeat.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Commenting out a section changes the program.
>>>>>>>> This conclusively proving that this section was required.
>>>>>>> When you put in the abort, it also appears in the simulated HHH.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yet this is unreachable in the same way that in a single file
>>>>>> foot race with everyone going the same speed and everyone
>>>>>> 15 feet ahead of the next person that the first person must win.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yet that is no reason for the person in front to kill all other 
>>>>> people, because otherwise they would not stop running.
>>>>> The first person will stop at the finish, the second person will 
>>>>> stop at the finish, the third .... etc.
>>>>>
>>>>> There is no reason to assume that there are persons that will keep 
>>>>> running indefinitely.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The outermost HHH sees that it must abort one whole execution
>>>>>> trace sooner than the next inner HHH.
>>>>>
>>>>> But it is wrong to assume that the simulated HHH would not have 
>>>>> halted when not aborted. 
>>>>
>>>> It has never been an assumption is has always been a
>>>> tautology that has always been over your head. Joes
>>>> may be catching up with the Linz proof.
>>>>
>>>>> This is proved when HHH is simulated by a non-aborting simulator, 
>>>>> such as HHH1. A correct simulation shows that the simulated HHH 
>>>>> does not need to be aborted.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> When we remove the abort code it keeps repeating.
>>>
>>> But then you also changed the input.
>>
>> <MIT Professor Sipser agreed to ONLY these verbatim words 10/13/2022>
>>      If simulating *halt decider H correctly simulates its input D*
>>      *until H correctly determines that its simulated D would never*
>>      *stop running unless aborted* then
>>
>>      H can abort its simulation of D and correctly report that D
>>      specifies a non-halting sequence of configurations.
>> </MIT Professor Sipser agreed to ONLY these verbatim words 10/13/2022>
>>
> 
> Changing to an irrelevant other subject. Sipser agreed only to correct 
> simulations. 

Correct simulations *until* you damned liar.

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