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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: This function proves that only the outermost HHH examines the execution trace Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2024 21:26:51 +0200 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 48 Message-ID: <v8gnhs$2bb0i$1@dont-email.me> References: <v80h07$2su8m$3@dont-email.me> <0amdndFJSZSzYD77nZ2dnZfqnPednZ2d@brightview.co.uk> <v8102f$2vo8u$1@dont-email.me> <v83fhe$3gihn$1@dont-email.me> <v83hmk$3gvj7$1@dont-email.me> <v83jc9$3gihm$1@dont-email.me> <v83juc$3ham9$1@dont-email.me> <v8519e$3s7bv$1@dont-email.me> <v88h9e$i7kl$7@dont-email.me> <v8a31r$u7n5$1@dont-email.me> <v8btl5$184u7$3@dont-email.me> <v8cval$1hf7s$1@dont-email.me> <v8dshi$1mg72$4@dont-email.me> <v8fes7$22of5$1@dont-email.me> <v8fti6$24rl1$8@dont-email.me> <v8g0el$24u77$1@dont-email.me> <v8g0lr$25l0a$8@dont-email.me> <3e91ca7ef46d6de40edf2bbd9d4761ba63578e09@i2pn2.org> <v8gbe4$288f9$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2024 21:26:53 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="8c0ac17c3f9e00decd2248743b2f1a16"; logging-data="2468882"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18yPpDFPOOpbiuxTkhDp7y1" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:9rJav+x3bjt5ej2H9GmimH/SNbY= In-Reply-To: <v8gbe4$288f9$1@dont-email.me> Content-Language: en-GB Bytes: 3498 Op 01.aug.2024 om 18:00 schreef olcott: > On 8/1/2024 10:46 AM, joes wrote: >> Am Thu, 01 Aug 2024 07:56:27 -0500 schrieb olcott: >>> On 8/1/2024 7:52 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote: >>>> Op 01.aug.2024 om 14:03 schreef olcott: >>>>> On 8/1/2024 2:52 AM, Mikko wrote: >>>>>> On 2024-07-31 17:33:38 +0000, olcott said: >>>>>>> On 7/31/2024 4:15 AM, Mikko wrote: >>>>>>>> On 2024-07-30 23:40:21 +0000, olcott said: >>>>>>>>> On 7/30/2024 2:00 AM, Mikko wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On 2024-07-29 16:50:53 +0000, olcott said: >>>>>>>>>>> On 7/28/2024 3:59 AM, Mikko wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-07-27 20:05:31 +0000, olcott said: >> >>>>> When instructions are executed/emulated according to the semantics of >>>>> the x86 language then they are executed/emulated correctly. >>>>> >>>> But only those instructions. A halting program is simulated correctly >>>> if no instructions are skipped. >>> >>> Correctly and completely are not the same damn thing you >>> freaking moron. >> Yes, an incomplete simulation is also incorrect. >> > > When N steps of DDD are emulated correctly one can only > say that N steps were not emulated correctly when one > is a liar. Nobody claims it. It is just your dream. When the last M steps of a halting DDD are skipped, one can only say that it is a correct simulation when one is a liar. This is the reality. > > When a correct and complete emulation is impossible > because the computation has no end then it is pretty > damn stupid to insist an a complete emulation. > Nobody claims it. It is just your dream. When a correct and complete simulation of HHH by itself is not possible even when HHH halts, then it is pretty stupid to insist that a correct simulation of halting program shows that it does not halt. That is the reality. Dreams are no substitute for fact, not for logic.