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Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: FromTheRafters <FTR@nomail.afraid.org> Newsgroups: sci.logic,sci.math Subject: Re: Replacement of Cardinality (ubiquitous ordinals) Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2024 06:39:26 -0400 Organization: Peripheral Visions Lines: 61 Message-ID: <v8id14$2pfk1$1@dont-email.me> References: <hsRF8g6ZiIZRPFaWbZaL2jR1IiU@jntp> <881fc1a1-2e55-4f13-8beb-94d1f941b5af@att.net> <vg44QVKbPSR4U0Tq71L-fg5yqgM@jntp> <85194aeb-1b24-4486-8bcc-4dcd43b4fd2f@att.net> <HVudnVg62uHETjv7nZ2dnZfqn_ednZ2d@giganews.com> <HVudnVo62uGFSDv7nZ2dnZfqn_ednZ2d@giganews.com> <tR-dnU_G9dTXSjv7nZ2dnZfqn_WdnZ2d@giganews.com> <2e188e21-4128-4c76-ba5d-473528262931@att.net> <NQednW9Dop2vbDr7nZ2dnZfqn_SdnZ2d@giganews.com> <7d074e06-497a-4c38-9b34-fcded370ec75@att.net> <Yz6dnZrQj9Lf3zX7nZ2dnZfqn_udnZ2d@giganews.com> <305754ad-bf86-44e7-95a5-f6059b8869da@att.net> <78CcnZMbf6XDzjT7nZ2dnZfqn_udnZ2d@giganews.com> <ef6e9a26-4899-41a5-ade7-5ab5a3d654d0@att.net> <SIacnYBQM_GoSjf7nZ2dnZfqnPSdnZ2d@giganews.com> <e712953f-f3a3-46bf-92e6-aea33f08cfd7@att.net> <g96dneARJ9dDfDb7nZ2dnZfqn_GdnZ2d@giganews.com> <41684a87-685c-446c-87ce-ce2f5fdfbd4d@att.net> <h5KcnXrG7N1VsDH7nZ2dnZfqnPqdnZ2d@giganews.com> Reply-To: erratic.howard@gmail.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2024 12:39:33 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="51700aef577143efbf9304c8305b90b2"; logging-data="2932353"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19kYeZsEEaiSO22SNgVy5wGuJcmlBJ/hYQ=" Cancel-Lock: sha1:U1KNDEVSVfXesBVvxh+b07Hv5sY= X-Newsreader: MesNews/1.08.06.00-gb X-ICQ: 1701145376 Bytes: 3821 Ross Finlayson explained on 8/1/2024 : > On 08/01/2024 05:36 PM, Jim Burns wrote: >> On 8/1/2024 3:28 PM, Ross Finlayson wrote: >>> On 08/01/2024 04:23 AM, Jim Burns wrote: >>>> On 7/31/2024 8:30 PM, Ross Finlayson wrote: >>>>> On 07/31/2024 01:21 PM, Jim Burns wrote: >> >>>>>> If I remember correctly, your (RF's) name for >>>>>> not.talking about >>>>>> what's outside the domain of discussion >>>>>> is hypocrisyᴿꟳ. >>>>>> >>>>>> That sounds like you're delivering a value.judgment: >>>>>> that we _should not_ not.talk about >>>>>> what's outside the domain of discussion, >>>>>> that we _should not_ for example, not.talk about >>>>>> _all_ triangles when we discuss whether >>>>>> the square of its longest side equals >>>>>> the sum of the squares of the two remaining sides. >> >>>>> Yeah, my mathematical conscience demands that >>>>> hypocrisy is bad. >>>> >>>> Bad why? >>> >>> "Wrong", .... >> >> It is wrong to treat claims about right triangles >> as though they are claims about more than right triangles. >> >>> Definition usually expands, >> >> The hypocrisyᴿꟳ of NOT expanding >> the definition of right triangle ABC >> to encompass triangles without right angles >> leaves it NOT wrong that >> a segment CH from right angle C >> perpendicular to and meeting side AB at H >> makes two more triangles ACH BCH, >> which are both similar to ABC >> which, as similar triangles, >> have corresponding sides in the same ratio >> so that >> A͞H/A͞C = A͞C/A͞B >> H͞B/B͞C = B͞C/A͞B >> (A͞H+H͞B)⋅A͞B = A͞C² +B͞C² >> and >> A͞B² = A͞C² + B͞C² is NOT wrong. >> >>>>> hypocrisy is bad. >> >> If it is, then it isn't for making things wrong, >> which is something hypocrisyᴿꟳ >> (not.talking about outside the domain) >> doesn't do. >> >> > > There is no "outside" the universe. Then what *is* restricted comprehension?