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Path: ...!2.eu.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: Who here is too stupid to know that DDD correctly simulated by HHH cannot possibly reach its own return instruction? Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2024 11:03:55 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 51 Message-ID: <v8lkdb$3h16a$1@dont-email.me> References: <v8jh7m$30k55$1@dont-email.me> <v8kou4$3b2ta$1@dont-email.me> <v8lcir$3f6vr$4@dont-email.me> <v8ldcs$3fcgg$2@dont-email.me> <v8lem0$3ftpo$2@dont-email.me> <735401a612caec3eedb531311fd1e09b3d94521d@i2pn2.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Sat, 03 Aug 2024 18:03:56 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="6697133516c971b81fd53169bb6a94ea"; logging-data="3704010"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX184QbQtZpm1gJySEcu3U+jM" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:mrtwTvX6RNmaixpgfbRDe32QHZg= In-Reply-To: <735401a612caec3eedb531311fd1e09b3d94521d@i2pn2.org> Content-Language: en-US Bytes: 3063 On 8/3/2024 10:33 AM, Richard Damon wrote: > On 8/3/24 10:26 AM, olcott wrote: >> On 8/3/2024 9:04 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote: >>> Op 03.aug.2024 om 15:50 schreef olcott: >>>> On 8/3/2024 3:14 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote: >>>>> Op 02.aug.2024 om 22:57 schreef olcott: >>>>>> Who here is too stupid to know that DDD correctly simulated >>>>>> by HHH cannot possibly reach its own return instruction? >>>>>> >>>>>> void DDD() >>>>>> { >>>>>> HHH(DDD); >>>>>> return; >>>>>> } >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Which proves that the simulation is incorrect. >>>> >>>> When are you going to understand that you are not allowed >>>> to disagree with the semantics of the x86 language? >>>> >>>> >>> >>> I do not disagree. >>> When are you going to understand that it is a deviation of the >>> semantics of the x86 language to skip instructions of a halting program, >> >> HHH(DDD) simulates DDD that calls HHH(DDD) to repeat the process. >> >> If it does this an infinite number of times the simulated DDD >> never reaches its own return instruction. >> >> If it does this a googolplex number of times the simulated DDD >> never reaches its own return instruction. > > Nope, the PARTIAL SIMULATION of DDD never reaches the return instruction. > For N = 0; while N <= googolplex; N++ N instructions of DDD correctly emulated by HHH[N] never reach their own "return" instruction final state. ∞ instructions of DDD correctly emulated by HHH[∞] never reach their own "return" instruction final state. Thus any HHH that takes a wild guess that DDD emulated by itself never halts is always correct. -- Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer