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Path: ...!feeds.phibee-telecom.net!2.eu.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Who knows that DDD correctly simulated by HHH cannot possibly reach its own return instruction final state? Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2024 11:16:31 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 63 Message-ID: <v8ll4v$3h8m2$1@dont-email.me> References: <v8jh7m$30k55$1@dont-email.me> <v8kou4$3b2ta$1@dont-email.me> <v8lcir$3f6vr$4@dont-email.me> <v8ldcs$3fcgg$2@dont-email.me> <v8lem0$3ftpo$2@dont-email.me> <735401a612caec3eedb531311fd1e09b3d94521d@i2pn2.org> <v8lkdb$3h16a$1@dont-email.me> <5ee8b34a57f12b0630509183ffbd7c07804634b3@i2pn2.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Sat, 03 Aug 2024 18:16:31 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="6697133516c971b81fd53169bb6a94ea"; logging-data="3711682"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/7h3gUalQH+aXEvsry8b9D" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:Gichj4xnR8LOAFBMzMJOTrgzqDI= In-Reply-To: <5ee8b34a57f12b0630509183ffbd7c07804634b3@i2pn2.org> Content-Language: en-US Bytes: 3571 On 8/3/2024 11:12 AM, Richard Damon wrote: > On 8/3/24 12:03 PM, olcott wrote: >> On 8/3/2024 10:33 AM, Richard Damon wrote: >>> On 8/3/24 10:26 AM, olcott wrote: >>>> On 8/3/2024 9:04 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote: >>>>> Op 03.aug.2024 om 15:50 schreef olcott: >>>>>> On 8/3/2024 3:14 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote: >>>>>>> Op 02.aug.2024 om 22:57 schreef olcott: >>>>>>>> Who here is too stupid to know that DDD correctly simulated >>>>>>>> by HHH cannot possibly reach its own return instruction? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> void DDD() >>>>>>>> { >>>>>>>> HHH(DDD); >>>>>>>> return; >>>>>>>> } >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Which proves that the simulation is incorrect. >>>>>> >>>>>> When are you going to understand that you are not allowed >>>>>> to disagree with the semantics of the x86 language? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I do not disagree. >>>>> When are you going to understand that it is a deviation of the >>>>> semantics of the x86 language to skip instructions of a halting >>>>> program, >>>> >>>> HHH(DDD) simulates DDD that calls HHH(DDD) to repeat the process. >>>> >>>> If it does this an infinite number of times the simulated DDD >>>> never reaches its own return instruction. >>>> >>>> If it does this a googolplex number of times the simulated DDD >>>> never reaches its own return instruction. >>> >>> Nope, the PARTIAL SIMULATION of DDD never reaches the return >>> instruction. >>> >> >> For N = 0; while N <= googolplex; N++ >> N instructions of DDD correctly emulated by HHH[N] never >> reach their own "return" instruction final state. >> >> ∞ instructions of DDD correctly emulated by HHH[∞] never >> reach their own "return" instruction final state. >> >> Thus any HHH that takes a wild guess that DDD emulated >> by itself never halts is always correct. >> > > The SIMULATION of DDD never reaches the return instruction. > Great! Finally. When we understand that the return instruction is halt state of DDD then DDD correctly simulated by HHH never halts. -- Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer