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From: Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi>
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Subject: Re: Analytic Expressions of language not linked to their semantic meaning are simply untrue
Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2024 10:23:52 +0300
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On 2024-08-03 13:44:25 +0000, olcott said:

> On 8/3/2024 4:50 AM, Mikko wrote:
>> On 2024-08-02 12:19:31 +0000, olcott said:
>> 
>>> On 8/2/2024 1:43 AM, Mikko wrote:
>>>> On 2024-07-31 14:46:17 +0000, olcott said:
>>>> 
>>>>> On 7/31/2024 3:03 AM, Mikko wrote:
>>>>>> On 2024-07-30 13:40:55 +0000, olcott said:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 7/30/2024 2:33 AM, Mikko wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2024-07-29 00:44:41 +0000, olcott said:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> The truth about every expression of language that can be known
>>>>>>>>> to be true on the basis of its meaning expressed in language is
>>>>>>>>> that a lack of connection simply means untrue.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Does that really mean something? If the significance of the lack of
>>>>>>>> connection is restricted to sentences where the connection exists
>>>>>>>> then it seems that you are talking about nothing.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> https://plato.stanford.edu/Entries/analytic-synthetic/
>>>>>>> I had to redefine the analytic side of the analytic/synthetic
>>>>>>> distinction because Quine convinced most everyone that this
>>>>>>> distinction does not exist.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> You cannot redefine side wihout redefining the other side and the
>>>>>> distinction itself. Is your redefinition equivalent to the one
>>>>>> at https://plato.stanford.edu/Entries/analytic-synthetic/ or did
>>>>>> you find out that that distincition is not the one that exists?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Quine got totally confused by synonymity. He never understood
>>>>> that the term {Bachelor} was defined in terms of
>>>>> (~Married + Adult + Male).
>>>> 
>>>> It is not a good idea to lie about other people.
>>>> 
>>>> When reqding Quine, you should ask yourself why your presentation
>>>> is much less convincing than Quine's.
>>> 
>>> Try and show the details of how I am incorrect.
>> 
>> What you said (quoted above) about Quine is insulting and unjustified,
>> which alone is wrong.
> 
> The bottom line here is that every objection that he could
> have possibly made is addressed by this augmentation to
> the definition of {analytic truth}
> 
> *Original definition* of {Analytic truth}
> Every expression of (formal or natural language) that is
> true on the basis of its meaning...

So what is wrong with Quines opinion that the truth of "A bachelor
is not married" comes from the meaning of the words?

-- 
Mikko