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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott <abc@def.com> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: Defining a correct halting decidability decider Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2024 14:33:36 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 50 Message-ID: <v8ol2g$74lk$1@dont-email.me> References: <v8o47a$3ml4$1@dont-email.me> <0ec454016dab6f6d6dd5580f5d0eea49569293d8@i2pn2.org> <v8oigl$6kik$1@dont-email.me> <6ec9812649b0f4a042edd1e9a1c14b93e7b9a16b@i2pn2.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Sun, 04 Aug 2024 21:33:36 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="903796c801119a1f2fd86200a8e93bf1"; logging-data="234164"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+uJ30STk+YTCbDrs6gXLvF" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:0LQH/R6icgo1nNMttyD4Z+yH7eU= Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <6ec9812649b0f4a042edd1e9a1c14b93e7b9a16b@i2pn2.org> Bytes: 2674 On 8/4/2024 2:05 PM, Richard Damon wrote: > On 8/4/24 2:49 PM, olcott wrote: >> On 8/4/2024 1:38 PM, Richard Damon wrote: >>> On 8/4/24 10:46 AM, olcott wrote: >>>> When we define an input that does the opposite of whatever >>>> value that its halt decider reports there is a way for the >>>> halt decider to report correctly. >>>> >>>> int DD() >>>> { >>>> int Halt_Status = HHH(DD); >>>> if (Halt_Status) >>>> HERE: goto HERE; >>>> return Halt_Status; >>>> } >>>> >>>> int main() >>>> { >>>> HHH(DD); >>>> } >>>> >>>> HHH returns false indicating that it cannot >>>> correctly determine that its input halts. >>>> True would mean that its input halts. >>>> >>> >>> But false indicates that the input does not halt, but it does. >>> >> >> I made a mistake that I corrected on a forum that allows >> editing: *Defining a correct halting decidability decider* >> 1=input does halt >> 0=input cannot be decided to halt > > And thus, not a halt decider. > > Sorry, you are just showing your ignorance. > > And, the problem is that a given DD *CAN* be decided about halting, just > not by HHH, so "can not be decided" is not a correct answer. A single universal decider can correctly determine whether or not an input could possibly be denial-of-service-attack. 0=yes does not halt or pathological self-reference 1=no halts -- Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer