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Path: ...!news.mixmin.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> Newsgroups: sci.electronics.design Subject: Re: Hackers hope to democratize laser-based processor hacking for $500 Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2024 13:12:49 -0700 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 26 Message-ID: <v8onc2$6o40$2@dont-email.me> References: <v8nub2$p2vp$1@solani.org> <v8odgv$5eme$1@dont-email.me> <v8ogv8$2435$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Sun, 04 Aug 2024 22:12:50 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="568bca9e299cae539fb168ca390b4582"; logging-data="221312"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX192d9sWuK9sR2rSq/kMH+PW" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; Win64; x64; rv:102.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/102.2.2 Cancel-Lock: sha1:AbaPwK40at3a1R0rqv0ffmEf3EE= In-Reply-To: <v8ogv8$2435$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com> Content-Language: en-US Bytes: 2333 On 8/4/2024 11:23 AM, Edward Rawde wrote: > In this context, making the world a better place requires demonstating to > hardware/software vendors that they can't just cobble something together and > hope it's secure. I suspect very few people have ever played RED/BLUE games in their careers (or in academia). You actually need to be *tasked* with "breaking something" in order to see all of its warts. Developers always make assumptions about how their products will be used and the sorts of "misuse" they THINK they need to guard against. But, users (and ABusers) aren't bound by those delusions. So, when a product encounters something out-of-the-ordinary, it often shits the bed. If you can convince it to shit the bed in a manner that can be exploited... <grin> Remember, YOU likely have addition limits imposed on what YOU would subject YOUR device to; there is nothing that forces someone else to similarly restrain themselves! So, you have to EXPLICITLY enforce any limitations in your hardware/software if you want to be SURE they won't be subverted (by an adversary or a sloppy developer!)