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From: Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com>
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Subject: Re: iPhone revenue fell for a second consecutive quarter (perhaps due
 to Apple's failed R&D efforts)
Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2024 16:50:04 -0700
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On 2024-08-04 16:46, badgolferman wrote:
> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>> On 2024-08-04 14:46, badgolferman wrote:
>>> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>> On 2024-08-02 13:15, badgolferman wrote:
>>>>> Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:
>>>>>> badgolferman wrote on Fri, 2 Aug 2024 18:50:28 -0000 (UTC) :
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Maybe it is and maybe it has to do with the people being employed to
>>>>>>> develop these things.  Are they the best and brightest developers
>>>>>>> available, considering Apple has the money to pay them?  Or are they
>>>>>>> DEI candidates selected to make Apple look good to shareholders and
>>>>>>> those who demand such things?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> All I can say is I am always reasonable in all my factual assessments.
>>>>>> As you know, zealots never know ANYTHING about what Apple actually does.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> At least you read about Apple outside of Apple's (brilliant) Marketing ads.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> To your concerns, all I can tell you is what is in the news about Apple's
>>>>>> strategic decisions, which I'm sure you can handle - but the zealots can't.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This, from midyear 2024 says, for example the iPhone accounts for "55%
>>>>>> ($115.7 billion) of Apple's $210.3 billion in net sales", so it behooves us
>>>>>> to concentrate on what Apple has improved on technology for that iPhone.
>>>>>> <https://www.fool.com/investing/2024/05/07/apple-spent-183-billion-rd-in-12-years-674-billion/>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Notice the fact that Apple spends far more on propping up stock than on R&D
>>>>>> (where the article uses the word "breathtaking" where the article says no
>>>>>> other company comes close to what Apple spends, not in R&D, but on P:E.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What's a possible assessment takeaway from those two facts?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Maybe:
>>>>>> a. Apple cares more than anyone about artificially propping up stock...
>>>>>> b. And, yet, Apple cares far less than most in terms of actual R&D.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What do YOU make of those two breathtakingly different facts about Apple?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> It says Apple is on track to spend $31 billion this year on R&D,.
>>>>> underscoring its record of increases every year since 2013. That’s
>>>>> certainly no number to sneeze at, but unfortunately there hasn’t been much
>>>>> innovation to show for it over the last 5-6 years. I know some will say the
>>>>> mobile phone has reached its peak in features, but they’ve been saying that
>>>>> for a long time. A truly innovative company would create things customers
>>>>> didn’t know they wanted, not new colors or emojis.
>>>>
>>>> Give some recent examples of what you would term "things customers
>>>> didn’t know they wanted"...
>>>>
>>>> ...from any smartphone manufacturer.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Face ID,
>>
>> Not recent. The first phone with it came out in 2011, and when Apple
>> developed it enough to use it, it was 2017
>>
>>> contactless payments,
>>
>> First used in a phone in 2004 (by Sony), but not actually useful until
>> Apple got it right.
>>
>>> QR code scanning,
>>
>> Seriously?
>>
>> So the newest thing you can point to is from more than a decade ago.
>>
>>   and other useful things
>>> like these. New colors and new emojis don’t count.
>>
>> So it's not like Apple is somehow unique in not rolling out the
>> innovations, is it?
>>
>>
> 
> Admittedly I am not an early adopter of technology and tend to wait for
> stuff to become mature. I gave you examples of useful things. At the time
> they were not considered important but they have become so over time. These
> are the type of things smart phone manufacturers should be developing.
> 

But your argument was that Apple wasn't doing much lately.

Implying that others were.