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Path: ...!3.eu.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott <abc@def.com> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: I call it a halting decidability decider, and thus isn't actually a computability decider. Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2024 19:55:59 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 59 Message-ID: <v8rsav$15pid$5@dont-email.me> References: <v8o47a$3ml4$1@dont-email.me> <v8q19o$iqvb$1@dont-email.me> <g7idnfxFzNYAIS37nZ2dnZfqlJydnZ2d@giganews.com> <v8qkv3$n73l$1@dont-email.me> <4-qdnbRw1Jw-Si37nZ2dnZfqlJwAAAAA@giganews.com> <529766756c05e86ee762c43daee0087e8ae283d5@i2pn2.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2024 02:55:59 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="198d92f6295c39b86c65eb128f10a699"; logging-data="1238605"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX180LEmmkFSvD7yG5EtdnnUG" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:BZRVqvdldOLKuFNdOccUtkiOUaU= In-Reply-To: <529766756c05e86ee762c43daee0087e8ae283d5@i2pn2.org> Content-Language: en-US Bytes: 3333 On 8/5/2024 5:59 PM, Richard Damon wrote: > On 8/5/24 9:46 AM, olcott wrote: >> On 8/5/2024 8:44 AM, Python wrote: >>> Le 05/08/2024 à 13:50, olcott a écrit : >>>> On 8/5/2024 3:08 AM, Mikko wrote: >>>>> On 2024-08-04 14:46:02 +0000, olcott said: >>>>> >>>>>> When we define an input that does the opposite of whatever >>>>>> value that its halt decider reports there is a way for the >>>>>> halt decider to report correctly. >>>>>> >>>>>> int DD() >>>>>> { >>>>>> int Halt_Status = HHH(DD); >>>>>> if (Halt_Status) >>>>>> HERE: goto HERE; >>>>>> return Halt_Status; >>>>>> } >>>>>> >>>>>> int main() >>>>>> { >>>>>> HHH(DD); >>>>>> } >>>>>> >>>>>> HHH returns false indicating that it cannot >>>>>> correctly determine that its input halts. >>>>>> True would mean that its input halts. >>>>> >>>>> That is called a "partial halt decider". The set of requirements is >>>>> a subset of the requirements for "halt decider" but still require >>>>> that the answer is not "halts" if the input does not halt and that >>>>> the answer is not "does not halt" if the input halts. The difference >>>>> is that a "halt decider" is required to give one of these answers >>>>> for every input but a "partial halt decider" is not. >>>>> >>>>> For every computation there is a partial halt decider that answers it. >>>>> >>>> >>>> I call it a halting decidability decider. >>>> 1=input halts >>>> 0=input does not halt or has pathological relationship with its decider >>> >>> So it is NOT an halt decider. Case closed. You've lost your time >>> for years, and made a lot of people lose their time too. >>> >>> >>> >> >> It refutes Rice >> > > Nope, since the criteria is not a avalid criteria, as it is a subjective > criteria, and NOT a property of JUST the input. A freaking actual execution trace is not freaking subjective. -- Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer