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Path: ...!2.eu.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!feeds.news.ox.ac.uk!news.ox.ac.uk!nntp-feed.chiark.greenend.org.uk!ewrotcd!news.eyrie.org!beagle.ediacara.org!.POSTED.beagle.ediacara.org!not-for-mail From: Kestrel Clayton <richZIG.e.clayZIGton@gmail.com> Newsgroups: talk.origins Subject: Re: Creationism, Intelligent Design and Vendanta Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2024 12:24:30 -0400 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 38 Sender: to%beagle.ediacara.org Approved: moderator@beagle.ediacara.org Message-ID: <v8tinv$1mk0c$1@dont-email.me> References: <v8t9ge$1k50q$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: beagle.ediacara.org; posting-host="beagle.ediacara.org:3.132.105.89"; logging-data="87201"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@beagle.ediacara.org" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird To: talk-origins@moderators.isc.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:e9/FgxFGg9J52dcQMOLnd0GlYEE= Return-Path: <news@eternal-september.org> X-Original-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org Delivered-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org id 1F8DE229782; Tue, 06 Aug 2024 12:24:00 -0400 (EDT) by beagle.ediacara.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5E88229765 for <talk-origins@ediacara.org>; Tue, 06 Aug 2024 12:23:57 -0400 (EDT) id C5FA45DC29; Tue, 6 Aug 2024 16:24:34 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: talk-origins@moderators.isc.org by mod-relay-1.kamens.us (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A48F05DC26 for <talk-origins@moderators.isc.org>; Tue, 6 Aug 2024 16:24:34 +0000 (UTC) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature ECDSA (P-256)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.eternal-september.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 16B035F7FC for <talk-origins@moderators.isc.org>; Tue, 6 Aug 2024 16:24:32 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: name/16B035F7FC; dmarc=fail (p=none dis=none) header.from=gmail.com id A9B36DC01A9; Tue, 6 Aug 2024 18:24:31 +0200 (CEST) X-Injection-Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2024 18:24:31 +0200 (CEST) X-Auth-Sender: U2FsdGVkX18PYd7cnFgj7YMBRiss6lYcCnP7Y53yZQyiujLT5gc0nQgeLhh09cju Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <v8t9ge$1k50q$1@dont-email.me> FORGED_GMAIL_RCVD,FORGED_MUA_MOZILLA,FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN, FREEMAIL_FROM,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED, SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS,URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.6 smtp.eternal-september.org Bytes: 4231 On 06-Aug-24 09:46, RonO wrote: > I found an article on creationism, intelligent design and Vendanta. Even > though Kalkidas came out as a normal Biblical creationists there have > been Hindu sympathetic to Scientific Creationism and the ID creationist > scam on TO. > > https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4802803/ > > The author thinks that science is a search for truth. I have never > considered science to be a search for truth. It is just the best means > we have of developing a working understanding of nature. This > understanding may not be the "truth" but it could be close, and allows > us to improve our understanding of nature and expand a functional > understanding of the reality that we exist in. > > I do not recall Kalk ever stating how intelligent design supported his > hindu beliefs, and vice versa, but he did quote the Vedas from time to > time. > > A section of the paper compares Vendata to the ID creationist scam. Huh. I missed Kalkidas coming out as a fundamentalist Christian creationist. Did he have a conversion experience, or was he a Christian all along and lying about it? Either way, I'm not all that surprised. For a lot of folks, denialism isn't about what is, but rather what ISN'T: Moon landing denialists will gladly accommodate flat-Earthers, orbit-onlyists, fake-landings-real-pictures, fake-pictures-real-landings, and even "secret nazi base on the far side of the Moon" crackpots, as long as they all agree that the official account is somehow bogus. -- [The address listed is a spam trap. To reply, take off every zig.] Kestrel Clayton I used to have a Kipling quote here, but I'm not so fond of him any more.