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Subject: Re: Sainz to Williams
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On 2024-08-06 18:28, Geoff wrote:
> On 6/08/2024 12:56 am, ~misfit~ wrote:
>> On 5/08/2024 10:27 am, Geoff wrote:
>>> On 2/08/2024 3:26 am, Alan wrote:
>>>> On 2024-08-01 05:35, ~misfit~ wrote:
>>>>> On 1/08/2024 9:29 pm, Sir Tim wrote:
>>>>>> ~misfit~ <shaun.at.pukekohe@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Lando's relatively poor performance at Spa I think is down to him
>>>>>>> not being able to keep the win in the previous race. He took a 
>>>>>>> psych hit
>>>>>>> realising that the team
>>>>>>> he's spent so long developing with don't value him as much as he 
>>>>>>> thought
>>>>>>> they did and don't
>>>>>>> consider him to be number one.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes. IIRC, Lando committed to a long contract with, what was then, 
>>>>>> a team
>>>>>> in the doldrums. That act of faith deserves a reward.
>>>>>>
>>>>> I agree. Without the unwavering services of such a talented driver 
>>>>> they couldn't have developed the car as much as they have. It's as 
>>>>> much Lando's car as it is the design team's who built it around 
>>>>> him. Oscar will have his day but the present and near future at 
>>>>> McLaren IMO should belong to Lando when it comes down to the team 
>>>>> deciding who wins a race.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> McLaren fairly clearly had an agreement about keeping the order of 
>>>> finish the same as immediately prior to the final pit stops of the 
>>>> race.
>>>>
>>>> Norris was right to swap places if he agreed to that.
>>>
>>> And if he had done it earlier, the presumably they would have been 
>>> free to subsequently race. Shoots himself in foot....
>>
>> How could he be free to race if they agreed to keep the order the same 
>> as prior to the final pit stop? Lando's no dullard, if that was an 
>> option he'd have taken it.
> 
> We cannot know the details, but I would imagine such an agreement would 
> relate to  routine' pitstops , and not strategic ones like this.

What is the difference between a "routine" and a "strategic" pitstop?

Both Piastri and Norris were on a two stop strategy.