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Path: ...!news.mixmin.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: I call it a halting decidability decider Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2024 10:04:14 +0300 Organization: - Lines: 46 Message-ID: <v8v69e$29dq4$1@dont-email.me> References: <v8o47a$3ml4$1@dont-email.me> <v8q19o$iqvb$1@dont-email.me> <g7idnfxFzNYAIS37nZ2dnZfqlJydnZ2d@giganews.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2024 09:04:14 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="309a9fad157fc17c9a7da32f6d0fe325"; logging-data="2406212"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19N2tjiCdYxYvEr6qlvKoK/" User-Agent: Unison/2.2 Cancel-Lock: sha1:ioEPeIAG92aBQYTPRaw5/qdgKXo= Bytes: 2375 On 2024-08-05 11:50:53 +0000, olcott said: > On 8/5/2024 3:08 AM, Mikko wrote: >> On 2024-08-04 14:46:02 +0000, olcott said: >> >>> When we define an input that does the opposite of whatever >>> value that its halt decider reports there is a way for the >>> halt decider to report correctly. >>> >>> int DD() >>> { >>> int Halt_Status = HHH(DD); >>> if (Halt_Status) >>> HERE: goto HERE; >>> return Halt_Status; >>> } >>> >>> int main() >>> { >>> HHH(DD); >>> } >>> >>> HHH returns false indicating that it cannot >>> correctly determine that its input halts. >>> True would mean that its input halts. >> >> That is called a "partial halt decider". The set of requirements is >> a subset of the requirements for "halt decider" but still require >> that the answer is not "halts" if the input does not halt and that >> the answer is not "does not halt" if the input halts. The difference >> is that a "halt decider" is required to give one of these answers >> for every input but a "partial halt decider" is not. >> >> For every computation there is a partial halt decider that answers it. >> > > I call it a halting decidability decider. > 1=input halts > 0=input does not halt or has pathological relationship with its decider There is no "its decider". The identity of the decider is not a property of the input. -- Mikko