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Path: ...!news.misty.com!2.eu.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: Who here is too stupid to know that DDD correctly simulated by HHH cannot possibly reach its own return instruction? Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2024 10:18:52 +0200 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 36 Message-ID: <v8vale$29sva$2@dont-email.me> References: <v8jh7m$30k55$1@dont-email.me> <v8kp6s$3c5h2$2@dont-email.me> <v8ld1f$3f6vr$5@dont-email.me> <v8ldl0$3ennf$1@dont-email.me> <v8lfb9$3g2jl$1@dont-email.me> <v8lgsr$3gadt$2@dont-email.me> <v8lhrr$3gkbk$1@dont-email.me> <v8n6un$3tv08$1@dont-email.me> <v8nums$1n09$6@dont-email.me> <a7d98f536ed0dfcab52215e73ff85556026f3f0a@i2pn2.org> <v8oj55$6kik$4@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2024 10:18:54 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="d87107b678b3faaac4c3fbbb161088e1"; logging-data="2421738"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+i7zb6iqtwVd5WFD0jwdvg" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:SXCFqdBW+TRRDVilZXqrEHYIEJI= Content-Language: en-GB In-Reply-To: <v8oj55$6kik$4@dont-email.me> Bytes: 2797 Op 04.aug.2024 om 21:00 schreef olcott: > On 8/4/2024 1:54 PM, Richard Damon wrote: >> On 8/4/24 9:11 AM, olcott wrote: >>> On 8/4/2024 1:26 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote: >>>> Op 03.aug.2024 om 17:20 schreef olcott:>> >>>>> When you try to show how DDD simulated by HHH does >>>>> reach its "return" instruction you must necessarily >>>>> must fail unless you cheat by disagreeing with the >>>>> semantics of C. That you fail to have a sufficient >>>>> understanding of the semantics of C is less than no >>>>> rebuttal what-so-ever. >>>> >>>> Fortunately that is not what I try, because I understand that HHH >>>> cannot possibly simulate itself correctly. >>>> >>> >>> void DDD() >>> { >>> HHH(DDD); >>> return; >>> } >>> >>> In other words when HHH simulates itself simulating DDD it >>> is supposed to do something other than simulating itself >>> simulating DDD ??? Do you expect it to make a cup of coffee? >>> >> >> No, but to be correct it need to complete that to the end. >> > > Saying this and knowing there is no end cannot possibly > be construed as anything but intentional deception. > And what is saying that there is no end for a program that aborts and halts after two cycles? Are you dreaming again of the non-aborting HHH that does not halt? Dreams are no substitute for facts.