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Subject: True on the basis of meaning (and not any other kind)
Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2024 09:04:09 -0500
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On 8/7/2024 2:54 AM, Mikko wrote:
> On 2024-08-06 11:47:01 +0000, olcott said:
> 
>> On 8/6/2024 3:19 AM, Mikko wrote:
>>> On 2024-08-04 12:04:23 +0000, olcott said:
>>>
>>>> On 8/4/2024 2:23 AM, Mikko wrote:
>>>>> On 2024-08-03 13:44:25 +0000, olcott said:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 8/3/2024 4:50 AM, Mikko wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2024-08-02 12:19:31 +0000, olcott said:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 8/2/2024 1:43 AM, Mikko wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 2024-07-31 14:46:17 +0000, olcott said:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 7/31/2024 3:03 AM, Mikko wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-07-30 13:40:55 +0000, olcott said:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/30/2024 2:33 AM, Mikko wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-07-29 00:44:41 +0000, olcott said:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The truth about every expression of language that can be 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> known
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to be true on the basis of its meaning expressed in 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> language is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that a lack of connection simply means untrue.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Does that really mean something? If the significance of the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> lack of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> connection is restricted to sentences where the connection 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> exists
>>>>>>>>>>>>> then it seems that you are talking about nothing.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://plato.stanford.edu/Entries/analytic-synthetic/
>>>>>>>>>>>> I had to redefine the analytic side of the analytic/synthetic
>>>>>>>>>>>> distinction because Quine convinced most everyone that this
>>>>>>>>>>>> distinction does not exist.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> You cannot redefine side wihout redefining the other side and 
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> distinction itself. Is your redefinition equivalent to the one
>>>>>>>>>>> at https://plato.stanford.edu/Entries/analytic-synthetic/ or did
>>>>>>>>>>> you find out that that distincition is not the one that exists?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Quine got totally confused by synonymity. He never understood
>>>>>>>>>> that the term {Bachelor} was defined in terms of
>>>>>>>>>> (~Married + Adult + Male).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It is not a good idea to lie about other people.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> When reqding Quine, you should ask yourself why your presentation
>>>>>>>>> is much less convincing than Quine's.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Try and show the details of how I am incorrect.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What you said (quoted above) about Quine is insulting and 
>>>>>>> unjustified,
>>>>>>> which alone is wrong.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The bottom line here is that every objection that he could
>>>>>> have possibly made is addressed by this augmentation to
>>>>>> the definition of {analytic truth}
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Original definition* of {Analytic truth}
>>>>>> Every expression of (formal or natural language) that is
>>>>>> true on the basis of its meaning...
>>>>>
>>>>> So what is wrong with Quines opinion that the truth of "A bachelor
>>>>> is not married" comes from the meaning of the words?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> If he said that then he would be saying that he has no
>>>> objection to the {Analytic/Synthetic} distinction. He is
>>>> famous for having an objection to this.
>>>
>>> What makes you thing he has no objection not involving batchelors to
>>> the analytinc/synthetic distinction?
>>>
>>
>> I only skimmed his paper. I don't have to even look at anything
>> that said besides his conclusion to know that it is wrong.
> 
> In that case you don't know how sensitive his conclusion is to
> a minor change in argument.
> 

All that I care about is unambiguously defining the term
{true on the basis of meaning} so that I can show Tarski and
Gödel are wrong.

>> It is a tautology to say that expressions of language that
>> are true or false on the basis of their meaning are established
>> as true of false by a contiguous sequence of truth preserving
>> operations as truth-makers between (x or ~x) and the expressions
>> of language that make (x or ~x) true.
> 
> Which is irrelevant to your false claim about Quine.
> 

I don't really care whose at fault and how they
are at fault. I only care about what I said above.

I have defined {true on the basis of meaning} such
that there cannot be any rational objections.

-- 
Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius
hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer