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From: Kestrel Clayton <richZIG.e.clayZIGton@gmail.com>
Newsgroups: talk.origins
Subject: Re: Creationism, Intelligent Design and Vendanta
Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2024 11:04:54 -0400
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On 06-Aug-24 17:04, RonO wrote:
> On 8/6/2024 11:24 AM, Kestrel Clayton wrote:
>> On 06-Aug-24 09:46, RonO wrote:
>>> I found an article on creationism, intelligent design and Vendanta. 
>>> Even though Kalkidas came out as a normal Biblical creationists there 
>>> have been Hindu sympathetic to Scientific Creationism and the ID 
>>> creationist scam on TO.
>>>
>>> https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4802803/
>>>
>>> The author thinks that science is a search for truth.  I have never 
>>> considered science to be a search for truth.  It is just the best 
>>> means we have of developing a working understanding of nature.  This 
>>> understanding may not be the "truth" but it could be close, and 
>>> allows us to improve our understanding of nature and expand a 
>>> functional understanding of the reality that we exist in.
>>>
>>> I do not recall Kalk ever stating how intelligent design supported 
>>> his hindu beliefs, and vice versa, but he did quote the Vedas from 
>>> time to time.
>>>
>>> A section of the paper compares Vendata to the ID creationist scam.
>>
>> Huh. I missed Kalkidas coming out as a fundamentalist Christian 
>> creationist. Did he have a conversion experience, or was he a 
>> Christian all along and lying about it?
> 
> Kalk probably isn't a fundy.  Unless he was just pretending, he seems to 
> be an old earth anti-evolution creationist.

Ah, thank you. I'd assumed he was more of a Kent Hovind than a Hugh 
Ross, because as I recall he hates women, queer people, and 
non-reproductive sex. Or maybe that was just part of his pose as a 
member of ISKCON.

>> Either way, I'm not all that surprised. For a lot of folks, denialism 
>> isn't about what is, but rather what ISN'T: Moon landing denialists 
>> will gladly accommodate flat-Earthers, orbit-onlyists, fake-landings- 
>> real-pictures, fake-pictures-real-landings, and even "secret nazi base 
>> on the far side of the Moon" crackpots, as long as they all agree that 
>> the official account is somehow bogus.
>>
> 
> My guess is that Kalk pretended to be a Hindu in order to provide more 
> credence to his support for the intelligent design creationist scam. 
> Since most of the IDiotic creationist supporters were and still are YEC, 
> he could have just been old earth like Pagano without the literalistic 
> geocentric beliefs.  All the ID perps are Christian with a couple Jewish 
> fellows (Berlinski claims to be an agnostic).  There was a muslim that 
> was allowed to sign the descent from Darwanism denial statement, but he 
> was never given a fellowship.

Yah. Another way the internet creationism of the 90s and 00s 
foreshadowed the modern alt-right was the cultivation of bad faith and 
sock puppetry as a standard tactic. Liars-4-Jesus was a prototype of 
Liars-4-Fascism.

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Kestrel Clayton
I used to have a Kipling quote here,
but I'm not so fond of him any more.