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From: Jos Boersema <Josjoha@market.socialism.nl>
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Subject: The traitor Rambam / Miamonides, destroyer of Israel: Jubilee
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Israelites destroyed themselves (also) by ignoring the Jubilee on land
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The Jubilee on land is the system of land distribution of ancient Israel,
so commanded in the Torah.

See: https://www.sefaria.org/Leviticus.25.7?lang=bi&aliyot=0 Leviticus
25:7.

Basically (as far as author of this article understand it) ... The
land is distributed in equal value plots, marked by stones. If someone
becomes poor, they may rent that land out to someone else for the price
of the expected harvests on it. The rent is ended in the next 50th year,
which is a nation wide count of years. All the land which was rented out,
will then return to the owners. It was also possible for family to buy
back land for someone, in which case they would pay back the rent of the
still expected harvests until the next 50th year. If the land had been
improved by the person renting the land, the value of these improvements
would also have to be paid for.

This is one possible implementation of the right to land for all,
preventing land ownership to centralize. It becomes more important to have
a formal system when society starts to depend more on agriculture, and
the natural as well as moral right to work live and hunt on the land is
being threatened. Just like a farm, agriculture, is an operation requiring
some planning, so does the wider society now require some planning.

According to the logic presented elsewhere (in the book Distribute Power),
it is not possible for an economy to remain functional for long (as in,
centuries) without the right to land for all being honored. The power
will centralize, typically in the hands of the greedy and evil, and
they will eventually reduce the population to servitude, after which
the population will no longer be interested enough to defend their
Nation from outside violence, or they could be looking to overthrow
their ruling class themselves, leading to chaos and a likely end of
that Nation as a Sovereignty or even a culture. If the alternative is
the rule by criminals, a never ending Tyranny, dissolution and chaos
become preferable.

There is currently little hope for the Nation state and its economy,
which the Jewish people have build around Yerushalayim, because it (again)
lacks the right to land for all. This is the same with all the Nations
in the world, except maybe a small and generally unknown tribe here or
there. They are also failing on this principle, and therefore there is
also no long term hope for their economy and Nations either. The whole
world is messed up.

Here we see a modern reasoning for why the Jewish people are breaking
their Jubilee law on land (bold emphasis added)

https://www.chabad.org/parshah/article_cdo/aid/4386805/jewish/10-Jubilee-Facts-to-Know.htm

    2. Jubilee Is Not Currently Observed

    For the Yovel to be commemorated, the entire Jewish nation needs to
    be living on their land. Hence, ever since the tribes of Reuben,
    Gad and half of Menashe were exiled—18 years before the other
    northern tribes were exiled—the Jubilee was cancelled. This was
    130 years before the destruction of the 1st Temple.2

Here we see the trouble maker called Rambam / Maimonides, arguing
against the Torah and the Jubilee:
https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/1007174/jewish/Shemita-Chapter-10.htm

    8

    From the time the tribes of Reuven and Gad and half the tribe of
    Menasheh were exiled,26 [the observance] of the Jubilee year ceased,
    as [implied by Leviticus 25:10]: "You shall proclaim freedom
    throughout the land to all of its inhabitants." [One can infer
    that this commandment applies only] when all of its inhabitants
    are dwelling within it. [Moreover,] they may not be intermingled,
    one tribe with another, but rather each tribe is dwelling in its
    appropriate place.27

Shocking and outrageous. One can infer nothing like that at all from the
statement in Leviticus. It simply says: proclaim it to all who live in
the land, that it is a Jubilee year. It does not say that such and so
people have to be in the land, and that if they are not in the land or
not in the right way in the land, then suddenly the Jubilee does not
apply. This is open rebellion against the Torah.

It makes no sense from an economic standpoint (which is the standpoint
of this subreddit). Land distribution and the right to land is not about
how many tribes are in a certain Sovereignty, or who is waving what crown
around. Land distribution is essential for an economy to work correctly
and to be stable.

You need as many as two persons, two individuals, and that is when
you need to start distributing the land (natural resources) to all
as an inalienable right, forever. The Jubilee should never have been
cancelled**.**

It is not hard to see why the Jubilee may never be cancelled, in the
system of the Torah. If you cancel the Jubilee, the land remains in the
hands of the few, while others are loosing their access to free land. This
makes some people rich by just owning a lot of land, and others become
their slaves because they have nowhere to go. Rather than not doing
the Jubilee, if anything the Jubilee could have been done more often,
such as every 7 years. From a (secular) economic standpoint, this does
not sound like a bad idea (to undersigned).

From these underlying causes, we can see that this world today
(2024 Western count, 5784 modern Rabbinical count, or perhaps 6 004
altered Rabbinical count with stay in Egypt is 430 years) is entirely
unstable. From north to south pole, it is unstable, every single Nation
is unstable. Almost nowhere is there enough economic freedom to have a
well functioning market economy. The bottom is not there, the economy has
no foundation. It has nothing to return to, when it all goes wrong. It
has no place from where it grows up from nothing. A slavery plantation
is not the start of a Nation or economy worth living in.

The situation in a high technological society is not different. If
the people generally have no land, the benefit of the technology will
largely go to the ones who do own the "means of production" (land). Large
amounts of the population are becoming superfluous when the technology is
developed to do their work. They become unnecessary for the ruling class
to man their operations. If you have land, if the people in general own
their share of land for free, the technology will be used by them on
their land. There would be no such thing as unnecessary population.

Ignorance is a choice in a time where it is so easy to find information,
and the time exists to think about it.


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Article on reddit:

https://new.reddit.com/r/DistributePower/comments/1eme6bz/israelites_destroyed_themselves_also_by_ignoring/

[Continuing on Usenet]

P.S. 

I'm sorry for not knowing that Rambam / Maimonides was even more of a
traitor than I knew he was because of his heter iska fraud, although it
is quite likely he merely codified and adopted the lies of the previous
generation. There is no excuse for these lies. In no way can you infer
that the Jubilee is not in effect. If the Jubilee is not in effect, then
what IS in effect ?! What defacto becomes the rule, is selling land in
perpetuity, which is of course expressly (and quite rightly) forbidden.

If I have anything to do with it, I do not want to Redeem this mess that
calls itself Israel. This level of lying is not going to work in the
system as I propose it, and neither is it going to work with the Torah -
which you already largely ruined.

Go duke it out with whatever maniacs in the region you can find, such as
Hamas or Iran and all the other punishments heaven will send you for
this obviously fraudulent behavior, and for the cowardice of not
standing up to it, which is WORSE. Criminals do as criminals do, it is
predictable. Greedy super rich people do as they do, it is predictable.
The whole point of the Torah is to overthrow that scum, scum which
promotes lies such as the prozbul, the heter iska, or these lies about
not keeping the Jubilee. Do you even use your minds one second ever in
your whole lives ?! I guess not ! Absolutely crystal clear that you
don't, because if you do and you allow this, you are only even more
guilty. Then you knew what you where doing, and you did it on purpose.

This mess cannot be redeemed, it should not be redeemed, because
redeeming it will merely cause them to feel vindicated and rewarded for
all this horrible treason which they are guilty over, and then it will
never stop.

There was a number somewhere, I think it may have been on dani18 com,
where they said it was not 6 but more like 9 Million Jewish people
killed in World War 3. That would be in the order of half. If that is
true (perhaps it counts everyone, rather than just the holocaust in a
narrow sense?), and you do that 7 times to account for a 7 times worse
punishment this time, then less then 1% of the Jewish people will
survive the next round of punishment. I guess we can now see why that
has to be so, why heaven may have computed that there is no other way
forward with this mess, if humanity is ever going to find peace and a
future. (0.5)^7

Not that the other Nations are better, mindh you, they are usually much
much worse. That is not the point. This is not a race, although in some
ways it might also be that.

There is no hope. The treason is to horrific. The lies are too blatant
and too many. Are they just suddenly going to repent from all this
thousands of years of lying, just like that ? If so, what does it even
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