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From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: HHH maps its input to the behavior specified by it --- never
 reaches its halt state
Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2024 20:12:24 -0500
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On 8/7/2024 8:03 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
> On 8/7/24 2:14 PM, olcott wrote:
>> On 8/7/2024 1:02 PM, joes wrote:
>>> Am Wed, 07 Aug 2024 08:54:41 -0500 schrieb olcott:
>>>> On 8/7/2024 2:29 AM, Mikko wrote:
>>>>> On 2024-08-05 13:49:44 +0000, olcott said:
>>>
>>>>> I know what it means. But the inflected form "emulated" does not mean
>>>>> what you apparently think it means. You seem to think that "DDD
>>>>> emulated by HHH" means whatever HHH thinks DDD means but it does not.
>>>>> DDD means what it means whether HHH emulates it or not.
>>>>>
>>>> In other words when DDD is defined to have a pathological relationship
>>>> to HHH we can just close our eyes and ignore it and pretend that it
>>>> doesn't exist?
>>> It doesn't change anything about DDD. HHH was supposed to decide 
>>> anything
>>> and can't fulfill that promise. That doesn't mean that DDD is somehow
>>> faulty, it's just a counterexample.
>>>
>>
>> void DDD()
>> {
>>    HHH(DDD);
>>    return;
>> }
>>
>> *HHH is required to report on the behavior of DDD*
>> Anyone that does not understand that HHH meets this criteria
>> has insufficient understanding.
> 
> But it doesn't, as a correct simulation of a DDD that calls an HHH that 
> returns will stop running, 

I really think that you must be a liar here because
you have known this for years:

On 8/2/2024 11:32 PM, Jeff Barnett wrote:
 > ...In some formulations, there are specific states
 >    defined as "halting states" and the machine only
 >    halts if either the start state is a halt state...

 > ...these and many other definitions all have
 >    equivalent computing prowess...

Anyone that knows C knows that DDD correctly simulated
by any HHH cannot possibly reach its "return" {halt state}.

-- 
Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius
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