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From: Geoff <geoff@geoffwood.org>
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Subject: Re: Sainz to Williams
Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2024 16:00:36 +1200
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On 7/08/2024 1:32 pm, Alan wrote:
> On 2024-08-06 18:28, Geoff wrote:
>> On 6/08/2024 12:56 am, ~misfit~ wrote:
>>> On 5/08/2024 10:27 am, Geoff wrote:
>>>> On 2/08/2024 3:26 am, Alan wrote:
>>>>> On 2024-08-01 05:35, ~misfit~ wrote:
>>>>>> On 1/08/2024 9:29 pm, Sir Tim wrote:
>>>>>>> ~misfit~ <shaun.at.pukekohe@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Lando's relatively poor performance at Spa I think is down to him
>>>>>>>> not being able to keep the win in the previous race. He took a 
>>>>>>>> psych hit
>>>>>>>> realising that the team
>>>>>>>> he's spent so long developing with don't value him as much as he 
>>>>>>>> thought
>>>>>>>> they did and don't
>>>>>>>> consider him to be number one.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes. IIRC, Lando committed to a long contract with, what was 
>>>>>>> then, a team
>>>>>>> in the doldrums. That act of faith deserves a reward.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> I agree. Without the unwavering services of such a talented driver 
>>>>>> they couldn't have developed the car as much as they have. It's as 
>>>>>> much Lando's car as it is the design team's who built it around 
>>>>>> him. Oscar will have his day but the present and near future at 
>>>>>> McLaren IMO should belong to Lando when it comes down to the team 
>>>>>> deciding who wins a race.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> McLaren fairly clearly had an agreement about keeping the order of 
>>>>> finish the same as immediately prior to the final pit stops of the 
>>>>> race.
>>>>>
>>>>> Norris was right to swap places if he agreed to that.
>>>>
>>>> And if he had done it earlier, the presumably they would have been 
>>>> free to subsequently race. Shoots himself in foot....
>>>
>>> How could he be free to race if they agreed to keep the order the 
>>> same as prior to the final pit stop? Lando's no dullard, if that was 
>>> an option he'd have taken it.
>>
>> We cannot know the details, but I would imagine such an agreement 
>> would relate to  routine' pitstops , and not strategic ones like this.
> 
> What is the difference between a "routine" and a "strategic" pitstop?
> 
> Both Piastri and Norris were on a two stop strategy.

And PIA's second stop was stragetic for a specific defensive purpose 
(for NOR's benefit) as opposed to any pre-planned tyre stragety which 
would not have had him so disadvantaged.

Which is why NOR was leaned on to give the place back.

geoff