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From: Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi>
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Subject: Re: True on the basis of meaning (and not any other kind)
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On 2024-08-07 14:04:09 +0000, olcott said:

> On 8/7/2024 2:54 AM, Mikko wrote:
>> On 2024-08-06 11:47:01 +0000, olcott said:
>> 
>>> On 8/6/2024 3:19 AM, Mikko wrote:
>>>> On 2024-08-04 12:04:23 +0000, olcott said:
>>>> 
>>>>> On 8/4/2024 2:23 AM, Mikko wrote:
>>>>>> On 2024-08-03 13:44:25 +0000, olcott said:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 8/3/2024 4:50 AM, Mikko wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2024-08-02 12:19:31 +0000, olcott said:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On 8/2/2024 1:43 AM, Mikko wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-07-31 14:46:17 +0000, olcott said:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/31/2024 3:03 AM, Mikko wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-07-30 13:40:55 +0000, olcott said:
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/30/2024 2:33 AM, Mikko wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-07-29 00:44:41 +0000, olcott said:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The truth about every expression of language that can be known
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to be true on the basis of its meaning expressed in language is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that a lack of connection simply means untrue.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Does that really mean something? If the significance of the lack of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> connection is restricted to sentences where the connection exists
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> then it seems that you are talking about nothing.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://plato.stanford.edu/Entries/analytic-synthetic/
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I had to redefine the analytic side of the analytic/synthetic
>>>>>>>>>>>>> distinction because Quine convinced most everyone that this
>>>>>>>>>>>>> distinction does not exist.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> You cannot redefine side wihout redefining the other side and the
>>>>>>>>>>>> distinction itself. Is your redefinition equivalent to the one
>>>>>>>>>>>> at https://plato.stanford.edu/Entries/analytic-synthetic/ or did
>>>>>>>>>>>> you find out that that distincition is not the one that exists?
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Quine got totally confused by synonymity. He never understood
>>>>>>>>>>> that the term {Bachelor} was defined in terms of
>>>>>>>>>>> (~Married + Adult + Male).
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> It is not a good idea to lie about other people.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> When reqding Quine, you should ask yourself why your presentation
>>>>>>>>>> is much less convincing than Quine's.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Try and show the details of how I am incorrect.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> What you said (quoted above) about Quine is insulting and unjustified,
>>>>>>>> which alone is wrong.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> The bottom line here is that every objection that he could
>>>>>>> have possibly made is addressed by this augmentation to
>>>>>>> the definition of {analytic truth}
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> *Original definition* of {Analytic truth}
>>>>>>> Every expression of (formal or natural language) that is
>>>>>>> true on the basis of its meaning...
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> So what is wrong with Quines opinion that the truth of "A bachelor
>>>>>> is not married" comes from the meaning of the words?
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> If he said that then he would be saying that he has no
>>>>> objection to the {Analytic/Synthetic} distinction. He is
>>>>> famous for having an objection to this.
>>>> 
>>>> What makes you thing he has no objection not involving batchelors to
>>>> the analytinc/synthetic distinction?
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> I only skimmed his paper. I don't have to even look at anything
>>> that said besides his conclusion to know that it is wrong.
>> 
>> In that case you don't know how sensitive his conclusion is to
>> a minor change in argument.
>> 
> 
> All that I care about is unambiguously defining the term
> {true on the basis of meaning} so that I can show Tarski and
> Gödel are wrong.

That does not justify your lies about Quine.

-- 
Mikko