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Path: ...!3.eu.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: Who here is too stupid to know that DDD simulated by HHH cannot reach its own return? Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2024 10:52:20 +0300 Organization: - Lines: 40 Message-ID: <v91tfk$3r0ka$1@dont-email.me> References: <v8jh7m$30k55$1@dont-email.me> <v8kp6s$3c5h2$2@dont-email.me> <v8ld1f$3f6vr$5@dont-email.me> <v8ldl0$3ennf$1@dont-email.me> <v8lfb9$3g2jl$1@dont-email.me> <v8lgsr$3gadt$2@dont-email.me> <v8lhrr$3gkbk$1@dont-email.me> <v8n6un$3tv08$1@dont-email.me> <v8nums$1n09$6@dont-email.me> <v8pvsv$iius$1@dont-email.me> <c-WdnSrh_5ZhdS37nZ2dnZfqlJydnZ2d@giganews.com> <v8v7aq$29nlc$1@dont-email.me> <v8vtgf$32fso$12@dont-email.me> <f5c189757b7cec5869896bcdc4a1847208ad016f@i2pn2.org> <v90gbt$39as4$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2024 09:52:20 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="7ca8cc5ca66551310006596dadbb32e6"; logging-data="4031114"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18+vDeDsQyTCEPUzazQbjNO" User-Agent: Unison/2.2 Cancel-Lock: sha1:NGxYIT2MsnCmkii7Sd8TdY31f/g= Bytes: 3061 On 2024-08-07 19:02:21 +0000, olcott said: > On 8/7/2024 1:25 PM, joes wrote: >> Am Wed, 07 Aug 2024 08:40:31 -0500 schrieb olcott: >>> On 8/7/2024 2:22 AM, Mikko wrote: >>>> On 2024-08-05 15:00:12 +0000, olcott said: >>>>> On 8/5/2024 2:44 AM, Mikko wrote: >>>>>> On 2024-08-04 13:11:56 +0000, olcott said: >>>>>>> On 8/4/2024 1:26 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote: >>>>>>>> Op 03.aug.2024 om 17:20 schreef olcott:>> >> >>>>>> In another message you have said that when HHH simulates itself >>>>>> simulating DDD is does not simulate itself simulating itself >>>>>> simulating DDD. You have not told whether it makes a cup of coffee. >>>>>> Neither action can be seen in the traces you have shown. >>>>>> >>>>> HHH and HH and the original H have proved that they simulate >>>>> themselves simulating DDD, DD and P for three years now. >>>> >>>> Your trace don't show siulation of exectuion differently from >>>> simulation of simulation of execution. >>>> >>> It does but it is too difficult to dig it out of emulations of emulators >>> emulating inputs. >> You could make it clearer by prefixing the simulation level. >> > > Maybe I can do this. it requires a static local, yet this > is only for reporting purposes and does not have an effect > on the computation. No, it can be done without a static local. It does require that the emulator recognizes output functions as a special case but it already does that. The emulator should emulate an output call so that it prepends the text to be output with a special character, for example with '|'. -- Mikko