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From: RonO <rokimoto557@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: Creationism, Intelligent Design and Vendanta
Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2024 06:20:28 -0500
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On 8/8/2024 5:20 AM, Ernest Major wrote:
> On 08/08/2024 10:09, Burkhard wrote:
>> On Tue, 6 Aug 2024 16:24:30 +0000, Kestrel Clayton wrote:
>>
>>> On 06-Aug-24 09:46, RonO wrote:
>>>> I found an article on creationism, intelligent design and Vendanta. 
>>>> Even
>>>> though Kalkidas came out as a normal Biblical creationists there have
>>>> been Hindu sympathetic to Scientific Creationism and the ID creationist
>>>> scam on TO.
>>>>
>>>> https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4802803/
>>>>
>>>> The author thinks that science is a search for truth.  I have never
>>>> considered science to be a search for truth.  It is just the best means
>>>> we have of developing a working understanding of nature.  This
>>>> understanding may not be the "truth" but it could be close, and allows
>>>> us to improve our understanding of nature and expand a functional
>>>> understanding of the reality that we exist in.
>>>>
>>>> I do not recall Kalk ever stating how intelligent design supported his
>>>> hindu beliefs, and vice versa, but he did quote the Vedas from time to
>>>> time.
>>>>
>>>> A section of the paper compares Vendata to the ID creationist scam.
>>>
>>> Huh. I missed Kalkidas coming out as a fundamentalist Christian
>>> creationist. Did he have a conversion experience, or was he a Christian
>>> all along and lying about it?
>>
>> neither, as far as I can tell. Though of course conversions, while
>> comparatively rare, do happen. But as far as I'm aware, he always was
>> and  still is a follower of Vaishnavism.
>>
>> He only ever objected to certain labels (with some good reasons I'd say)
>> so
>> the use of the exonym Hinduism
>>
>>>
>>> Either way, I'm not all that surprised. For a lot of folks, denialism
>>> isn't about what is, but rather what ISN'T: Moon landing denialists will
>>> gladly accommodate flat-Earthers, orbit-onlyists,
>>> fake-landings-real-pictures, fake-pictures-real-landings, and even
>>> "secret nazi base on the far side of the Moon" crackpots, as long as
>>> they all agree that the official account is somehow bogus.
>>
>> Well, that's possibly closer the issue, as you, me and pretty much all
>> other contributors to TO on the science side are dead, we just
>> did not get the memo yet - the bioengineered Covid vaccine killed
>> us all, as planned by the oligarchs, for reasons unknown. Or so
>> Kalkidas
>>
> 
> As I recall, as few months back he said that he was a Christian, or at 
> least something that was readily interpreted as that.
> 

When the Top Six came out in Nov. 2017 Kalk tried to go with Glenn and 
run from what the ID perps had just told them.  Bill just quit the ID 
scam and claimed that he had never supported the ID scam (everyone knows 
that Bill has been an IDiot from when he first started to post here). 
Bill likely meant that he had never supported what the ID scam had 
always been.  Pagano claimed that the Top Six were bogus, and were not 
the best evidence for the ID creationist scam.  He tried to put up 
Dembski's junk instead, but Dembski had retired from the ID scam as an 
abject failure and none of his junk had made it into what the other ID 
perps considered to be the best evidence for ID.  Pagano quit posting. 
Nyikos was MIA and after his return to TO he was clueless for years 
about what the Top Six had done to the ID scam.  When Nyikos finally 
addressed the Top Six it destroyed his space alien fantasy.  Nyikos 
started going on about god like space aliens from another universe could 
account for the Top Six.  It turned out that Nyikos had always been 
supporting the ID scam to support his religious beliefs.  Dean kept 
claiming that he did not remember not being able to deal with them every 
time he came back to post to TO.  MarkE was likely never an IDiot, but 
he could not give up on the god-of-the-gaps denial and started putting 
the Top Six up one at a time, but he found that he could not deal with 
them one at a time either when he spent a lot of time defining what was 
around the origin of life gap in order to claim that the gap would never 
be filled.  It turned out that the god that filled that gap was not the 
Biblical god, and MarkE quit putting up the lame Top Six gap denials. 
After a few months of running from the Top Six and just trying to post 
the second rate junk that the ID perps were still putting out Kalk 
claimed to quit supporting the ID scam.  He claimed that the ID scam 
junk was no longer worth thinking about.  Around that same time he 
admitted that he was not Hindu, and claimed that he had never claimed to 
be Hindu.  That was in 2018, and I recall having to give a link to that 
post for someone that had missed the event, but I didn't save the link 
anywhere, or I'd put it up again.

Ron Okimoto