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From: Ernest Major <{$to$}@meden.demon.co.uk>
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Subject: Re: Creationism, Intelligent Design and Vendanta
Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2024 12:39:38 +0100
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On 08/08/2024 12:20, RonO wrote:
> On 8/8/2024 5:20 AM, Ernest Major wrote:
>> On 08/08/2024 10:09, Burkhard wrote:
>>> On Tue, 6 Aug 2024 16:24:30 +0000, Kestrel Clayton wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 06-Aug-24 09:46, RonO wrote:
>>>>> I found an article on creationism, intelligent design and Vendanta. 
>>>>> Even
>>>>> though Kalkidas came out as a normal Biblical creationists there have
>>>>> been Hindu sympathetic to Scientific Creationism and the ID 
>>>>> creationist
>>>>> scam on TO.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4802803/
>>>>>
>>>>> The author thinks that science is a search for truth.  I have never
>>>>> considered science to be a search for truth.  It is just the best 
>>>>> means
>>>>> we have of developing a working understanding of nature.  This
>>>>> understanding may not be the "truth" but it could be close, and allows
>>>>> us to improve our understanding of nature and expand a functional
>>>>> understanding of the reality that we exist in.
>>>>>
>>>>> I do not recall Kalk ever stating how intelligent design supported his
>>>>> hindu beliefs, and vice versa, but he did quote the Vedas from time to
>>>>> time.
>>>>>
>>>>> A section of the paper compares Vendata to the ID creationist scam.
>>>>
>>>> Huh. I missed Kalkidas coming out as a fundamentalist Christian
>>>> creationist. Did he have a conversion experience, or was he a Christian
>>>> all along and lying about it?
>>>
>>> neither, as far as I can tell. Though of course conversions, while
>>> comparatively rare, do happen. But as far as I'm aware, he always was
>>> and  still is a follower of Vaishnavism.
>>>
>>> He only ever objected to certain labels (with some good reasons I'd say)
>>> so
>>> the use of the exonym Hinduism
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Either way, I'm not all that surprised. For a lot of folks, denialism
>>>> isn't about what is, but rather what ISN'T: Moon landing denialists 
>>>> will
>>>> gladly accommodate flat-Earthers, orbit-onlyists,
>>>> fake-landings-real-pictures, fake-pictures-real-landings, and even
>>>> "secret nazi base on the far side of the Moon" crackpots, as long as
>>>> they all agree that the official account is somehow bogus.
>>>
>>> Well, that's possibly closer the issue, as you, me and pretty much all
>>> other contributors to TO on the science side are dead, we just
>>> did not get the memo yet - the bioengineered Covid vaccine killed
>>> us all, as planned by the oligarchs, for reasons unknown. Or so
>>> Kalkidas
>>>
>>
>> As I recall, as few months back he said that he was a Christian, or at 
>> least something that was readily interpreted as that.
>>
> 
> When the Top Six came out in Nov. 2017 Kalk tried to go with Glenn and 
> run from what the ID perps had just told them.  Bill just quit the ID 
> scam and claimed that he had never supported the ID scam (everyone knows 
> that Bill has been an IDiot from when he first started to post here). 
> Bill likely meant that he had never supported what the ID scam had 
> always been.  Pagano claimed that the Top Six were bogus, and were not 
> the best evidence for the ID creationist scam.  He tried to put up 
> Dembski's junk instead, but Dembski had retired from the ID scam as an 
> abject failure and none of his junk had made it into what the other ID 
> perps considered to be the best evidence for ID.  Pagano quit posting. 
> Nyikos was MIA and after his return to TO he was clueless for years 
> about what the Top Six had done to the ID scam.  When Nyikos finally 
> addressed the Top Six it destroyed his space alien fantasy.  Nyikos 
> started going on about god like space aliens from another universe could 
> account for the Top Six.  It turned out that Nyikos had always been 
> supporting the ID scam to support his religious beliefs.  Dean kept 
> claiming that he did not remember not being able to deal with them every 
> time he came back to post to TO.  MarkE was likely never an IDiot, but 
> he could not give up on the god-of-the-gaps denial and started putting 
> the Top Six up one at a time, but he found that he could not deal with 
> them one at a time either when he spent a lot of time defining what was 
> around the origin of life gap in order to claim that the gap would never 
> be filled.  It turned out that the god that filled that gap was not the 
> Biblical god, and MarkE quit putting up the lame Top Six gap denials. 
> After a few months of running from the Top Six and just trying to post 
> the second rate junk that the ID perps were still putting out Kalk 
> claimed to quit supporting the ID scam.  He claimed that the ID scam 
> junk was no longer worth thinking about.  Around that same time he 
> admitted that he was not Hindu, and claimed that he had never claimed to 
> be Hindu.  That was in 2018, and I recall having to give a link to that 
> post for someone that had missed the event, but I didn't save the link 
> anywhere, or I'd put it up again.
> 
> Ron Okimoto
> 

Denying that he's a Hindu is not the same as stating that he's a 
Christian, and is not inconsistent with Burkhard's characterisation of 
his position.

-- 
alias Ernest Major