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From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: True on the basis of meaning (and not any other kind)
Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2024 11:01:19 -0500
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On 8/8/2024 1:40 AM, Mikko wrote:
> On 2024-08-07 14:04:09 +0000, olcott said:
> 
>> On 8/7/2024 2:54 AM, Mikko wrote:
>>> On 2024-08-06 11:47:01 +0000, olcott said:
>>>
>>>> On 8/6/2024 3:19 AM, Mikko wrote:
>>>>> On 2024-08-04 12:04:23 +0000, olcott said:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 8/4/2024 2:23 AM, Mikko wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2024-08-03 13:44:25 +0000, olcott said:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 8/3/2024 4:50 AM, Mikko wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 2024-08-02 12:19:31 +0000, olcott said:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 8/2/2024 1:43 AM, Mikko wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-07-31 14:46:17 +0000, olcott said:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/31/2024 3:03 AM, Mikko wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-07-30 13:40:55 +0000, olcott said:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/30/2024 2:33 AM, Mikko wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-07-29 00:44:41 +0000, olcott said:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The truth about every expression of language that can be 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> known
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to be true on the basis of its meaning expressed in 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> language is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that a lack of connection simply means untrue.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Does that really mean something? If the significance of 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the lack of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> connection is restricted to sentences where the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> connection exists
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> then it seems that you are talking about nothing.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://plato.stanford.edu/Entries/analytic-synthetic/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I had to redefine the analytic side of the analytic/synthetic
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> distinction because Quine convinced most everyone that this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> distinction does not exist.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> You cannot redefine side wihout redefining the other side 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> distinction itself. Is your redefinition equivalent to the one
>>>>>>>>>>>>> at https://plato.stanford.edu/Entries/analytic-synthetic/ 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> or did
>>>>>>>>>>>>> you find out that that distincition is not the one that 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> exists?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Quine got totally confused by synonymity. He never understood
>>>>>>>>>>>> that the term {Bachelor} was defined in terms of
>>>>>>>>>>>> (~Married + Adult + Male).
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> It is not a good idea to lie about other people.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> When reqding Quine, you should ask yourself why your 
>>>>>>>>>>> presentation
>>>>>>>>>>> is much less convincing than Quine's.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Try and show the details of how I am incorrect.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> What you said (quoted above) about Quine is insulting and 
>>>>>>>>> unjustified,
>>>>>>>>> which alone is wrong.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The bottom line here is that every objection that he could
>>>>>>>> have possibly made is addressed by this augmentation to
>>>>>>>> the definition of {analytic truth}
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *Original definition* of {Analytic truth}
>>>>>>>> Every expression of (formal or natural language) that is
>>>>>>>> true on the basis of its meaning...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So what is wrong with Quines opinion that the truth of "A bachelor
>>>>>>> is not married" comes from the meaning of the words?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If he said that then he would be saying that he has no
>>>>>> objection to the {Analytic/Synthetic} distinction. He is
>>>>>> famous for having an objection to this.
>>>>>
>>>>> What makes you thing he has no objection not involving batchelors to
>>>>> the analytinc/synthetic distinction?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I only skimmed his paper. I don't have to even look at anything
>>>> that said besides his conclusion to know that it is wrong.
>>>
>>> In that case you don't know how sensitive his conclusion is to
>>> a minor change in argument.
>>>
>>
>> All that I care about is unambiguously defining the term
>> {true on the basis of meaning} so that I can show Tarski and
>> Gödel are wrong.
> 
> That does not justify your lies about Quine.
> 

It does seem that he is all hung up on not understanding
how the synonymity of bachelor and unmarried works.

I don't really give a rat's ass what he said all that matters
to me is that I have defined expressions of language that are
{true on the basis of their meaning expressed in language}
so that I have analytic(Olcott) to make my other points.

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hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer