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Path: ...!feeds.phibee-telecom.net!2.eu.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> Newsgroups: sci.logic Subject: Re: True on the basis of meaning (and not any other kind) Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2024 11:11:24 +0300 Organization: - Lines: 52 Message-ID: <v977bc$gs40$1@dont-email.me> References: <v86olp$5km4$1@dont-email.me> <v8a4vf$uhll$1@dont-email.me> <v8aqh7$11ivs$1@dont-email.me> <v8cr4g$1gk19$1@dont-email.me> <v8dinp$1kii7$1@dont-email.me> <v8hv72$2mmsq$1@dont-email.me> <v8iisj$2qetj$1@dont-email.me> <v8kuhb$3d5q8$1@dont-email.me> <v8lc7p$3f6vr$2@dont-email.me> <v8naa8$3uo7s$1@dont-email.me> <v8nqo7$1n09$1@dont-email.me> <v8sm9o$1gk42$1@dont-email.me> <v8t2fl$1ilg6$2@dont-email.me> <v8v97m$2cofk$1@dont-email.me> <v8vusp$32fso$16@dont-email.me> <v91p95$3ppav$1@dont-email.me> <v92q4f$37e9$1@dont-email.me> <v94l1p$ldq7$1@dont-email.me> <v95c2j$p5rb$4@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2024 10:11:24 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="a5c6a761e1a568dd548fea8baecc84eb"; logging-data="553088"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+Urv88DLep5VQqh0WlOOyw" User-Agent: Unison/2.2 Cancel-Lock: sha1:Jab+MnJf5PZN2y8AmMntA8WkXTg= Bytes: 3184 On 2024-08-09 15:19:47 +0000, olcott said: > On 8/9/2024 3:46 AM, Mikko wrote: >> On 2024-08-08 16:01:19 +0000, olcott said: >> >>> >>> It does seem that he is all hung up on not understanding >>> how the synonymity of bachelor and unmarried works. >> >> What in the synonymity, other than the synonymity itself, >> would be relevant to Quine's topic? >> > > He mentions it 98 times in his paper > https://www.ditext.com/quine/quine.html > I haven't looked at it in years. > >>> I don't really give a rat's ass what he said all that matters >>> to me is that I have defined expressions of language that are >>> {true on the basis of their meaning expressed in language} >>> so that I have analytic(Olcott) to make my other points. >> >> That does not justify lying. > > I never lie. False pretence to know something whithout trying to find out whether it is true is lying. > Sometimes I make mistakes. That is unavoidable. But mistakes must be correted when detected. If someone claims that you have made a mistake then it is a iie to repeat the alleged mistake without an attempt to check. > It looks like you only want to dodge the actual > topic with any distraction that you can find. An error is an error even when you deviate from he topic. > Expressions of language that are {true on the basis of > their meaning expressed in this same language} defines > analytic(Olcott) that overcomes any objections that > anyone can possibly have about the analytic/synthetic > distinction. As long as you don't discuss the synthetic side and claimed border cases you have not said anything about the distinction. -- Mikko