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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: HHH maps its input to the behavior specified by it --- never reaches its halt state ---natural number mapping Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2024 07:06:11 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 87 Message-ID: <v97l3j$kof0$2@dont-email.me> References: <v8jh7m$30k55$1@dont-email.me> <5ee8b34a57f12b0630509183ffbd7c07804634b3@i2pn2.org> <v8ll4v$3h8m2$1@dont-email.me> <cbde765b8f9e769930b6c8589556907a41d9c256@i2pn2.org> <v8lm80$3h8m2$3@dont-email.me> <v8n6mq$3tv07$3@dont-email.me> <v8o14v$30uf$1@dont-email.me> <950d4eed7965040e841a970d48d5b6f417ff43dc@i2pn2.org> <v8oj1n$6kik$3@dont-email.me> <v8pvke$ih0a$1@dont-email.me> <4-qdnbdw1JzlRS37nZ2dnZfqlJydnZ2d@giganews.com> <v8v7p3$29r2r$1@dont-email.me> <v8vub1$32fso$14@dont-email.me> <1e1fa9bc4bbc00aa65c1a7974bd1bda87687c92b@i2pn2.org> <v90di8$38oni$1@dont-email.me> <47a76378d634bf0db4017f879d0160793b57125e@i2pn2.org> <v9161o$3gaju$1@dont-email.me> <b84374e766c199e1ba38ef1dc3bc8f6ab2c39dfc@i2pn2.org> <v91i97$3n4m0$1@dont-email.me> <v91unh$3rbor$1@dont-email.me> <v92gja$p1$3@dont-email.me> <v94m0l$ljf4$1@dont-email.me> <v95ae9$p5rb$1@dont-email.me> <v978dv$h1ib$1@dont-email.me> <v97j0q$ilah$2@dont-email.me> <ccc5dafb53acf66239baac0183a6291687794963@i2pn2.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2024 14:06:11 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="ec0d1ee71ceed677a7540299f25b1a73"; logging-data="680416"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX188apcEnFyV54w0KFlLjhZj" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:QG0EV80SVA7B8w7WXcMNc5Id3Is= Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <ccc5dafb53acf66239baac0183a6291687794963@i2pn2.org> Bytes: 4904 On 8/10/2024 6:57 AM, Richard Damon wrote: > On 8/10/24 7:30 AM, olcott wrote: >> On 8/10/2024 3:29 AM, Mikko wrote: >>> On 2024-08-09 14:51:51 +0000, olcott said: >>> >>>> On 8/9/2024 4:03 AM, Mikko wrote: >>>>> On 2024-08-08 13:18:34 +0000, olcott said: >>>>> >>>>>> void DDD() >>>>>> { >>>>>> HHH(DDD); >>>>>> return; >>>>>> } >>>>>> >>>>>> Each HHH of every HHH that can possibly exist definitely >>>>>> *emulates zero to infinity instructions correctly* In >>>>>> none of these cases does the emulated DDD ever reach >>>>>> its "return" instruction halt state. >>>>> >>>>> The ranges of "each HHH" and "every HHH" are not defined above >>>>> so that does not really mean anything. >>>> >>>> Here is something that literally does not mean anything: >>>> "0i34ine ir m0945r (*&ubYU I*(ubn)I*054 gfdpodf[" >>> >>> Looks like encrypted text that might mean something. >>> >>>> "Colorless green ideas sleep furiously" >>> >>> This could be encrypted text, too, or perhaps refers to some >>> inside knowledge or convention. >>> >>>> I defined an infinite set of HHH x86 emulators. >>> >>> Maybe somewnete but not in the message I commented. >>> >>>> I stipulated that each member of this set emulates >>>> zero to infinity instructions of DDD. >>> >>> That doesn't restrict much. >>> >>>> *I can't say it this way without losing 90% of my audience* >>>> Each element of this set is mapped to one element of the >>>> set of non-negative integers indicating the number of >>>> x86 instructions of DDD that it emulates. >>> >>> It is easier to talk about mapping if is given a name. >>> >>>> *This one seems to be good* >>>> Each element of this set corresponds to one element of >>>> the set of positive integers indicating the number of >>>> x86 instructions of DDD that it emulates. >>> >>> That would mean that only a finite number (possibly zero) of >>> instructions is emulated. But the restriction to DDD does not >>> seem reasonable. >>> >> >> *The set of HHH x86 emulators are defined such that* > > I thopught HHH was a deider? > >> >> Each element of this set corresponds to one element of >> the set of positive integers indicating the number of >> x86 instructions of DDD that it correctly emulates. > > And only those element of the set that either reach the final state, or > simulate forever are "correct" emulators of the whole program, suitable > to show halting. > void DDD() { HHH(DDD); return; } In other words even though it is dead obvious to us that a complete simulation of DDD simulated by HHH will never halt algorithms will forever be ridiculously more stupid and never be able to see this? -- Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer