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Path: ...!feeds.phibee-telecom.net!2.eu.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> Newsgroups: comp.misc Subject: Re: Emigration from Usenet [was: Re: PTD was the most-respected of the AUE regulars ...] Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2024 12:12:17 -0700 Organization: None, as usual Lines: 66 Message-ID: <v98e2j$sgtk$1@dont-email.me> References: <uvej5e$34pfl$8@dont-email.me> <v7mdjl$pq7n$3@dont-email.me> <nbcu9j5d7r8gbdngudbti83dg4agsl6knb@4ax.com> <lg948dF3fs6U1@mid.individual.net> <od21ajlllvqe32gi543hkft3lnhv2n3tus@4ax.com> <lgbo1lFfno3U1@mid.individual.net> <20240724115828.5d9d85d9305fe8300a91db5d@g{oogle}mail.com> <fdc6b7b9-b22a-0fa3-83c7-1710be288c51@example.net> <v7ru4n$1u14m$1@dont-email.me> <8d1b685c-e9df-a91b-61a2-137d60a2497e@example.net> <v8s9vk$1ci0e$1@dont-email.me> <toolmakers-20240806145434@ram.dialup.fu-berlin.de> <v8ue8n$1uv83$1@dont-email.me> <wwvfrrgrci1.fsf@LkoBDZeT.terraraq.uk> <v95l54$2t8tp$1@dont-email.me> <ba2b4937-c689-7105-b628-62d97e7edf10@example.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2024 21:12:20 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="7b997faab80e10839ee01df9859488dd"; logging-data="934836"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18ZVAF0Uu5mr/AypFFsfFjirMbSasOr1zw=" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/68.0 Thunderbird/68.12.1 Cancel-Lock: sha1:EAfLeL5455nOyyce2TZ+GIqJIec= Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <ba2b4937-c689-7105-b628-62d97e7edf10@example.net> Bytes: 4139 On 8/9/24 1:28 PM, D wrote: >=20 >=20 > On Fri, 9 Aug 2024, The Real Bev wrote: >=20 >> On 8/7/24 12:57 AM, Richard Kettlewell wrote: >>> The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> writes: >>>> On 8/6/24 6:55 AM, Stefan Ram wrote: >>>>> The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote or quoted: >>>>>> What happens when there are no more toolmakers? >>>>> Well, if by "toolmakers" you mean those devs cranking out text >>>>> editors, search engines, or AI chatbots: We're swimming in them the= se >>>>> days, more than ever before in human history! So I'd say: I'll cros= s >>>>> that bridge when I come to it, if we ever actually run low on those= >>>>> folks. (Sure, some tech fields are hurting for talent, but that's >>>>> probably not because of the new AI chatbots hitting the scene.) >>>>=20 >>>> I mean people who have serious work to do and know how to make a >>>> computer do it for them. REAL experts. If there are only people wh= o >>>> know how to use the tools already provided for them, who will make N= EW >>>> tools? >>>=20 >>> Obviously nobody. But it=E2=80=99s a hypothetical situation which isn= =E2=80=99t about to >>> happen. >> >> I'm not so sure. I look at the general dumbing down of our (and appar= ently=20 >> non-USA) population and wonder if there are enough intelligent people = left to=20 >> make a difference. Look at the schools. Loot at the governments. Look= at the=20 >> media. Is there any reason to be optimistic? >> >=20 > In my case... short term no, long term, yes. We've survived, as a speci= es, > world wars, famines, pestilence. Anything we're seeing today is nothing= in > comparison. We've never had as many people on earth as we have today, and there will = be more. At least in cities the big problem is just too many people,=20 most of them pretty stupid. Still, I have to believe that smarter/cooler heads will prevail. Knock=20 wood... > Yes, we're perhaps at a local minimum, but give it a decade or two, and= > we'll again sprint for a local maximum. =3D) I don't see a mechanism... --=20 Cheers, Bev "Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Klingon, because life is also terrifying and confusing." -- D. Moore