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Path: ...!news.mixmin.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: HHH maps its input to the behavior specified by it --- Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2024 15:36:57 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 75 Message-ID: <v98j19$taas$1@dont-email.me> References: <v8jh7m$30k55$1@dont-email.me> <b84374e766c199e1ba38ef1dc3bc8f6ab2c39dfc@i2pn2.org> <v91i97$3n4m0$1@dont-email.me> <v91unh$3rbor$1@dont-email.me> <v92gja$p1$3@dont-email.me> <v94m0l$ljf4$1@dont-email.me> <v95ae9$p5rb$1@dont-email.me> <v978dv$h1ib$1@dont-email.me> <v97j0q$ilah$2@dont-email.me> <ccc5dafb53acf66239baac0183a6291687794963@i2pn2.org> <v97l3j$kof0$2@dont-email.me> <v97pgq$l4f4$2@dont-email.me> <v97qf0$lise$2@dont-email.me> <v97rq3$l4f4$4@dont-email.me> <v97t7g$m8l6$1@dont-email.me> <332fdac834dd53dbe6a8650e170f08fac33ca2cf@i2pn2.org> <v988fu$r9k6$1@dont-email.me> <614b136972063ab2c9d5e3d91e4289858ef24f55@i2pn2.org> <v98ag9$rj63$1@dont-email.me> <9721b1bcc4a6849dabc5d7956754292823381840@i2pn2.org> <v98e8s$sddi$2@dont-email.me> <f7a568982428ce74da1635a0537c47580063d45b@i2pn2.org> <v98g9c$sres$1@dont-email.me> <5586bed1ae799730f4f5cda602007aa0a67a5b71@i2pn2.org> <v98hpa$t1hv$1@dont-email.me> <2fee2a47a11178b8ec9089878a51aa7ccb410fc2@i2pn2.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2024 22:36:57 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="ec0d1ee71ceed677a7540299f25b1a73"; logging-data="960860"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19qCSHBfbjCjBjbsYC6YFOw" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:IEEuzYW7p6/tTcTR9YjviJFk2Bg= Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <2fee2a47a11178b8ec9089878a51aa7ccb410fc2@i2pn2.org> Bytes: 4827 On 8/10/2024 3:30 PM, Richard Damon wrote: > On 8/10/24 4:15 PM, olcott wrote: >> On 8/10/2024 3:01 PM, Richard Damon wrote: >>> On 8/10/24 3:50 PM, olcott wrote: >>>> On 8/10/2024 2:39 PM, Richard Damon wrote: >>>>> On 8/10/24 3:15 PM, olcott wrote: >>>>>> On 8/10/2024 1:58 PM, Richard Damon wrote: >>>>>>> On 8/10/24 2:11 PM, olcott wrote: >>>>>>>> On 8/10/2024 12:51 PM, Richard Damon wrote: >>>>>>>>> On 8/10/24 1:37 PM, olcott wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> void DDD() >>>>>>>>>> { >>>>>>>>>> HHH(DDD); >>>>>>>>>> return; >>>>>>>>>> } >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> *The set of HHH x86 emulators are defined such that* >>>>>>>>>> Each element of this set corresponds to one element of the set >>>>>>>>>> of positive integers indicating the number of x86 instructions >>>>>>>>>> of DDD that it emulates. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> *This is the mistake that I corrected* >>>>> >>>>> But since none of your traces show more that 4, that is a lie, >>>>> since you haven't been able to establish the HHH itself correctly >>>>> emulates ANY of the instructions of the program DDD after the call >>>>> HHH, as everything says it jumps to something other than the >>>>> correct x86 emulation of the program DDD that it was given. >>>>> >>>>> But, we can overlook that, since you fail otherways. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>> But every one that emulates for a finite number of steps, and >>>>>>>>> then returns create a halting DDD, so you claim is just disproven. >>>>>> >>>>>> <snip> >>>>> >>>>> And it still does. If HHH emulates for a finite number of steps, >>>>> then returns, then the PROGRAM DDD that calls that HHH will halt. >>>>> >>>> >>>> *Yes this is your ADD* >>>> We have only been talking about DDD emulated by HHH. >>> >>> If you mean the emulation of DDD by HHH, you need to say so. >>> >>> DDD is one and only one thing, and that is the PROGRAM DDD. The fact >>> that you want the DDD that is emulated by HHH doesn't change it. >>> >> >> It is a tautology that DDD correctly emulated by any HHH >> cannot possibly reach its "return" instruction halt state. > > But that only applies for the HHH that DOES (Completely) correctly > emulate its input DDD, As I have countlessly proven it only requires enough correctly emulated steps to correctly infer that the input would never reach is "return" instruction halt state. Denying a tautology seems to make you a liar. I only say "seems to" because I know that I am fallible. *You are stuck in repeat mode with nothing new* You either (a) Deny tautologies (b) Change the subject with the strawman deception (c) Pure ad hominem with no reasoning at all. -- Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer