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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: OrangeFish <OrangeFish@invalid.invalid> Newsgroups: comp.arch Subject: Re: Instruction Tracing Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2024 09:44:27 -0400 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 26 Message-ID: <v9af7r$2ntfp$1@dont-email.me> References: <v970s3$flpo$1@dont-email.me> <2024Aug10.121802@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at> <v995pm$1cni$2@gal.iecc.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2024 15:44:28 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="35b564bbcc0e2c87e376dcb87141176e"; logging-data="2881017"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19U31pmWkjaJGa46wN4gMRksT6i3RX2HZU=" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.15; rv:102.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/102.11.0 Cancel-Lock: sha1:5XoIAGnZGGj0RwAKka/Qz8a9A0I= In-Reply-To: <v995pm$1cni$2@gal.iecc.com> Content-Language: en-CA Bytes: 2440 On 2024-08-10 21:57, John Levine wrote: > It appears that Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> said: >> (ROMP was also one of those RISC architectures that had delayed branches, >> along with MIPS, HP-PA and I think SPARC as well.) >> >> I have heard it said that the RT PC was a poor advertisement for the >> benefits of RISC, and the joke was made that “RT” stood for “Reduced >> Technology”. > > I worked on AIX for the RT/PC. It was a pretty reasonable chip for the > time, but it suffered greatly from internal IBM political fights which > made it too little too late. AIX ran on top of a bloated virtual > machine which made the whole thing too slow. There was skunkworks port > of BSD that was supposed to be a lot better. > > As far as the delayed branches and such, they made sense in the narrow > time window when it was too expensive to put a cache on a workstation > but that time came and went by the time the RT shipped. A long time ago, I heard (or maybe read) that the original ROMP was chopped in half (the FP stuff was removed) by orders of marketing for some sort of h/w word-processor. When that product bombed and the workstation market blossomed, the engineers "bolted" the FP stuff back on. I cannot find the source. Is there any truth to this? OF