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Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> Newsgroups: sci.logic Subject: Re: This makes all Analytic(Olcott) truth computable Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2024 09:11:58 +0300 Organization: - Lines: 64 Message-ID: <v9c93e$35sg6$1@dont-email.me> References: <v86olp$5km4$1@dont-email.me> <v8a4vf$uhll$1@dont-email.me> <v8aqh7$11ivs$1@dont-email.me> <v8cr4g$1gk19$1@dont-email.me> <v8dinp$1kii7$1@dont-email.me> <v8hv72$2mmsq$1@dont-email.me> <v8iisj$2qetj$1@dont-email.me> <v8kuhb$3d5q8$1@dont-email.me> <v8lc7p$3f6vr$2@dont-email.me> <v8naa8$3uo7s$1@dont-email.me> <v8nqo7$1n09$1@dont-email.me> <v8sm9o$1gk42$1@dont-email.me> <v8t2fl$1ilg6$2@dont-email.me> <v8v97m$2cofk$1@dont-email.me> <v8vusp$32fso$16@dont-email.me> <v91p95$3ppav$1@dont-email.me> <v92q4f$37e9$1@dont-email.me> <v94l1p$ldq7$1@dont-email.me> <v95c2j$p5rb$4@dont-email.me> <v95cke$p5rb$5@dont-email.me> <v977fo$gsru$1@dont-email.me> <v97goj$ielu$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2024 08:11:59 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="265e39e9e56a33a84eaaf570b029ada4"; logging-data="3338758"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/IwMUW+BuMpsqUPjVQWZ+W" User-Agent: Unison/2.2 Cancel-Lock: sha1:R4wYp17VWQfqDjYwm2STFxbfebE= Bytes: 3897 On 2024-08-10 10:52:03 +0000, olcott said: > On 8/10/2024 3:13 AM, Mikko wrote: >> On 2024-08-09 15:29:18 +0000, olcott said: >> >>> On 8/9/2024 10:19 AM, olcott wrote: >>>> On 8/9/2024 3:46 AM, Mikko wrote: >>>>> On 2024-08-08 16:01:19 +0000, olcott said: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> It does seem that he is all hung up on not understanding >>>>>> how the synonymity of bachelor and unmarried works. >>>>> >>>>> What in the synonymity, other than the synonymity itself, >>>>> would be relevant to Quine's topic? >>>>> >>>> >>>> He mentions it 98 times in his paper >>>> https://www.ditext.com/quine/quine.html >>>> I haven't looked at it in years. >>>> >>>>>> I don't really give a rat's ass what he said all that matters >>>>>> to me is that I have defined expressions of language that are >>>>>> {true on the basis of their meaning expressed in language} >>>>>> so that I have analytic(Olcott) to make my other points. >>>>> >>>>> That does not justify lying. >>>>> >>>> >>>> I never lie. Sometimes I make mistakes. >>>> It looks like you only want to dodge the actual >>>> topic with any distraction that you can find. >>>> >>>> Expressions of language that are {true on the basis of >>>> their meaning expressed in this same language} defines >>>> analytic(Olcott) that overcomes any objections that >>>> anyone can possibly have about the analytic/synthetic >>>> distinction. >>>> >>> >>> Expressions of language that are {true on the basis of >>> their meaning expressed in this same language} defines >>> analytic(Olcott) that overcomes any objections that >>> anyone can possibly have about the analytic/synthetic >>> distinction. >>> >>> This makes all Analytic(Olcott) truth computable or the >>> expression is simply untrue because it lacks a truthmaker. >> >> No, it doesn't. An algrithm or at least a proof of existence of an >> algrithm makes something computable. You can't compute if you con't >> know how. The truth makeker of computability is an algorithm. >> > > There is either a sequence of truth preserving operations from > the set of expressions stipulated to be true (AKA the verbal > model of the actual world) to x or x is simply untrue. This is > how the Liar Paradox is best refuted. Nice to see that you con't disagree. -- Mikko