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Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> Newsgroups: sci.logic Subject: Re: This makes all Analytic(Olcott) truth computable Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2024 08:44:33 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 72 Message-ID: <v9d3k1$3ajip$1@dont-email.me> References: <v86olp$5km4$1@dont-email.me> <v8a4vf$uhll$1@dont-email.me> <v8aqh7$11ivs$1@dont-email.me> <v8cr4g$1gk19$1@dont-email.me> <v8dinp$1kii7$1@dont-email.me> <v8hv72$2mmsq$1@dont-email.me> <v8iisj$2qetj$1@dont-email.me> <v8kuhb$3d5q8$1@dont-email.me> <v8lc7p$3f6vr$2@dont-email.me> <v8naa8$3uo7s$1@dont-email.me> <v8nqo7$1n09$1@dont-email.me> <v8sm9o$1gk42$1@dont-email.me> <v8t2fl$1ilg6$2@dont-email.me> <v8v97m$2cofk$1@dont-email.me> <v8vusp$32fso$16@dont-email.me> <v91p95$3ppav$1@dont-email.me> <v92q4f$37e9$1@dont-email.me> <v94l1p$ldq7$1@dont-email.me> <v95c2j$p5rb$4@dont-email.me> <v95cke$p5rb$5@dont-email.me> <v977fo$gsru$1@dont-email.me> <v97goj$ielu$1@dont-email.me> <v9c93e$35sg6$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2024 15:44:33 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="0de40597f43653f20eea109a93bb850d"; logging-data="3493465"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19ktrq2CiBudObLlRbgtxDN" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:MZGRvnqVAt1pHVUrZmlCFhoz+ik= Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <v9c93e$35sg6$1@dont-email.me> Bytes: 4460 On 8/12/2024 1:11 AM, Mikko wrote: > On 2024-08-10 10:52:03 +0000, olcott said: > >> On 8/10/2024 3:13 AM, Mikko wrote: >>> On 2024-08-09 15:29:18 +0000, olcott said: >>> >>>> On 8/9/2024 10:19 AM, olcott wrote: >>>>> On 8/9/2024 3:46 AM, Mikko wrote: >>>>>> On 2024-08-08 16:01:19 +0000, olcott said: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It does seem that he is all hung up on not understanding >>>>>>> how the synonymity of bachelor and unmarried works. >>>>>> >>>>>> What in the synonymity, other than the synonymity itself, >>>>>> would be relevant to Quine's topic? >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> He mentions it 98 times in his paper >>>>> https://www.ditext.com/quine/quine.html >>>>> I haven't looked at it in years. >>>>> >>>>>>> I don't really give a rat's ass what he said all that matters >>>>>>> to me is that I have defined expressions of language that are >>>>>>> {true on the basis of their meaning expressed in language} >>>>>>> so that I have analytic(Olcott) to make my other points. >>>>>> >>>>>> That does not justify lying. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I never lie. Sometimes I make mistakes. >>>>> It looks like you only want to dodge the actual >>>>> topic with any distraction that you can find. >>>>> >>>>> Expressions of language that are {true on the basis of >>>>> their meaning expressed in this same language} defines >>>>> analytic(Olcott) that overcomes any objections that >>>>> anyone can possibly have about the analytic/synthetic >>>>> distinction. >>>>> >>>> >>>> Expressions of language that are {true on the basis of >>>> their meaning expressed in this same language} defines >>>> analytic(Olcott) that overcomes any objections that >>>> anyone can possibly have about the analytic/synthetic >>>> distinction. >>>> >>>> This makes all Analytic(Olcott) truth computable or the >>>> expression is simply untrue because it lacks a truthmaker. >>> >>> No, it doesn't. An algrithm or at least a proof of existence of an >>> algrithm makes something computable. You can't compute if you con't >>> know how. The truth makeker of computability is an algorithm. >>> >> >> There is either a sequence of truth preserving operations from >> the set of expressions stipulated to be true (AKA the verbal >> model of the actual world) to x or x is simply untrue. This is >> how the Liar Paradox is best refuted. > > Nice to see that you con't disagree. > When the idea that I presented is fully understood it abolishes the whole notion of undecidability. My above idea is epistemological. Simply ignoring epistemology does not make it go away. -- Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer