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Path: eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!panix!.POSTED.panix2.panix.com!panix2.panix.com!not-for-mail From: kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) Newsgroups: comp.misc Subject: Re: 50 years ago, CP/M started the microcomputer revolution Date: 12 Aug 2024 15:03:21 -0000 Organization: Former users of Netcom shell (1989-2000) Lines: 39 Message-ID: <v9d87p$ama$1@panix2.panix.com> References: <66B92F5D.9099.com21001@fanless.alt119.net> <87mslim1zn.fsf@tilde.institute> Injection-Info: reader1.panix.com; posting-host="panix2.panix.com:166.84.1.2"; logging-data="25025"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@panix.com" yeti <yeti@tilde.institute> wrote: >"internetado" <internetado@fanless.alt119.net> writes: > >> Had Digital Research, the company CP/M >> creator Gary Kildall set up to sell CP/M, accepted the deal with IBM >> to make CP/M the default operating system for the then newly-created >> IBM PC, we'd be living in a very different world today. You could get CP/M-86 with the PC for a small fee, or PC-DOS for free, or a couple other options including the UCSD P-System. Most people got MS-DOS because they didn't have a need or know about the software available already for CP/M-86. Note that what was available for CP/M-86 was a tiny fraction of what was available for CP/M 2.2 on the 8080, even if it was a lot more than was available for CP/M-68K. >CP/M was reimplemented by Seattle Computer Products as "Quick and Dirty >Operation System"[0] and later Microsoft bought it and stripped the >"Quick and" and kept DOS as name. Shouldn't that once and forever >explain how to read the "D" of "DOS"? o;-) I wouldn't call Q-DOS and the later PC-DOS reimplementations of CP/M. The user interface was more or less modelled on CP/M but with a lot of important things done wrong because the people who did it didn't really understand CP/M and because engineers shouldn't write code. It does have lineage from CP/M but less than the lineage CP/M has from RT-11. Notice that you use the PIP command to copy files in CP/M like in RT-11 while PC-DOS introduces COPY, for instance. >I used CP/M-Z80 for a while and when MSDOS appeared, I avoided it for a >long time, but when I finally had to do some stuff on it, I immediately >felt kind of at home due to the similar structure of the OS function >calls. That felt strange. Maybe even a bit shady. It's less like RT-11, sadly. And the memory map is very strange to someone used to writing CP-M 2.2 code. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."