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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> Newsgroups: misc.phone.mobile.iphone Subject: Re: Too bad nospam can't see this: Apple adds call recording to iOS 18 Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2024 13:50:52 -0700 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 61 Message-ID: <v9dsjc$3fa3o$1@dont-email.me> References: <v89e2i$1jjn$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com> <v8pedc$14gob$1@news.mixmin.net> <v8v20r$281td$2@dont-email.me> <lcOcnQk0BcyX9Sj7nZ2dnZfqnPWdnZ2d@giganews.com> <v979f1$h7ef$1@dont-email.me> <v993a3$105ka$1@dont-email.me> <v99tlt$274vt$1@dont-email.me> <v9a3r0$12h97$1@solani.org> <v9c3l3$34l19$1@dont-email.me> <xn0oph1kt3z6flm000@reader443.eternal-september.org> <v9d7oo$3bb12$1@dont-email.me> <xn0oph7l647atky002@reader443.eternal-september.org> <v9db8h$3c4g7$1@dont-email.me> <xn0oph9ty4aeib1004@reader443.eternal-september.org> <v9dg6r$3caij$4@dont-email.me> <xn0ophayo4bwa4a005@reader443.eternal-september.org> <v9djof$3cajp$2@dont-email.me> <v9dp7f$14d1j$1@solani.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2024 22:50:53 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="edc56eb8108d104882c5e60bcc2a2d39"; logging-data="3647608"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/A6Bqkd4IQuvH5orl3MzIr6yDdtw7w8SI=" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:DbfdUpDX4KwiZASCQAs+HLdVKVM= Content-Language: en-CA In-Reply-To: <v9dp7f$14d1j$1@solani.org> Bytes: 3767 On 2024-08-12 12:53, badgolferman wrote: > Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote: >> On 2024-08-12 10:22, badgolferman wrote: >>> Alan wrote: >>> >>>> On 2024-08-12 09:40, badgolferman wrote: >>>>> Alan wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> All you've discovered is that the metrics for declaring death are >>>>>> wrong. >>>>>> >>>>>> Death, by definition, is that state from which you cannot come >>>>>> back. >>>>>> >>>>>> This is no different than when doctors used to believe that no >>>>>> heartbeat was definitive proof of death. >>>>> >>>>> When did you become a doctor? >>>> >>>> One doesn't have to be a doctor to realize that there is a difference >>>> between how we DECIDE if someone is dead vs whether or not they are >>>> actually dead. >>> >>> Well, all those doctors declared these people back from the dead. That >>> contradicts the original declaration that no one recovers from the >>> death. >> >> All the doctors who didn't have the tools to determine if there was >> brain activity declared people dead and they weren't dead eithers. >> >> No one recovers from being actually dead. >> >> People DO recover from being declared dead. >> >> Is that simple enough for you? >> >> A doctor declaring someone dead does not mean they are ACTUALLY dead. >> >> A long time ago, scientists declared that the sun revolved around the earth. >> >> Do you get me yet? >> > > The article I posted was describing an incident from 2008. Do they qualify > as backward superstitious doctors who can’t determine if people are dead? They never seem "backward" or "superstitious" in recent history, but they simply didn't have the tools. > > I’m sure you’re way smarter than they were so you can likely answer that > question. I don't have to be smarter to know that as science evolves we learn more and more. The doctors in the (say) 1950s (or at some earlier time) declared people dead based on the lack of a pulse. Were they "backward" or "superstitious" based on the fact that we learned that the heart could be restarted?