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Path: ...!2.eu.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!feeds.news.ox.ac.uk!news.ox.ac.uk!nntp-feed.chiark.greenend.org.uk!ewrotcd!news.eyrie.org!beagle.ediacara.org!.POSTED.beagle.ediacara.org!not-for-mail From: Chris Thompson <the_thompsons@earthlink.net> Newsgroups: talk.origins Subject: Re: Creationism, Intelligent Design and Vendanta Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2024 20:57:13 -0400 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 56 Sender: to%beagle.ediacara.org Approved: moderator@beagle.ediacara.org Message-ID: <v9eb1b$3i537$1@dont-email.me> References: <v8t9ge$1k50q$1@dont-email.me> <v8tinv$1mk0c$1@dont-email.me> <4098342f0cf475964284231dfc294c33@www.novabbs.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: beagle.ediacara.org; posting-host="beagle.ediacara.org:3.132.105.89"; logging-data="23457"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@beagle.ediacara.org" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:91.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/91.0 SeaMonkey/2.53.18.2 To: talk-origins@moderators.isc.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:x3xUChhcbbE2sw7BNvrT5CJvi9A= Return-Path: <news@eternal-september.org> X-Original-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org Delivered-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org id 2B6DF229782; Mon, 12 Aug 2024 20:56:41 -0400 (EDT) by beagle.ediacara.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F14B8229765 for <talk-origins@ediacara.org>; Mon, 12 Aug 2024 20:56:38 -0400 (EDT) id 3BBCC5DC75; Tue, 13 Aug 2024 00:57:21 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: talk-origins@moderators.isc.org by mod-relay-1.kamens.us (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1A94A5DC26 for <talk-origins@moderators.isc.org>; Tue, 13 Aug 2024 00:57:20 +0000 (UTC) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature ECDSA (P-256) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.eternal-september.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E8E0C5F84A for <talk-origins@moderators.isc.org>; Tue, 13 Aug 2024 00:57:16 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: name/E8E0C5F84A; dmarc=fail (p=none dis=none) header.from=earthlink.net id 73E8ADC01A9; Tue, 13 Aug 2024 02:57:16 +0200 (CEST) X-Injection-Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2024 02:57:16 +0200 (CEST) X-Auth-Sender: U2FsdGVkX1+L+vH9WvGSGGaJ65MstC1pmOdBPuOSq0nhV81/+0aR6zEVrmZirH40 In-Reply-To: <4098342f0cf475964284231dfc294c33@www.novabbs.com> HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,NICE_REPLY_A, RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_RPBL_BLOCKED,RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_SAFE_BLOCKED, SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS,T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE,URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.6 smtp.eternal-september.org Bytes: 5088 Burkhard wrote: > On Tue, 6 Aug 2024 16:24:30 +0000, Kestrel Clayton wrote: > >> On 06-Aug-24 09:46, RonO wrote: >>> I found an article on creationism, intelligent design and Vendanta. Even >>> though Kalkidas came out as a normal Biblical creationists there have >>> been Hindu sympathetic to Scientific Creationism and the ID creationist >>> scam on TO. >>> >>> https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4802803/ >>> >>> The author thinks that science is a search for truth. I have never >>> considered science to be a search for truth. It is just the best means >>> we have of developing a working understanding of nature. This >>> understanding may not be the "truth" but it could be close, and allows >>> us to improve our understanding of nature and expand a functional >>> understanding of the reality that we exist in. >>> >>> I do not recall Kalk ever stating how intelligent design supported his >>> hindu beliefs, and vice versa, but he did quote the Vedas from time to >>> time. >>> >>> A section of the paper compares Vendata to the ID creationist scam. >> >> Huh. I missed Kalkidas coming out as a fundamentalist Christian >> creationist. Did he have a conversion experience, or was he a Christian >> all along and lying about it? > > neither, as far as I can tell. Though of course conversions, while > comparatively rare, do happen. But as far as I'm aware, he always was > and still is a follower of Vaishnavism. > > He only ever objected to certain labels (with some good reasons I'd say) > so > the use of the exonym Hinduism > >> >> Either way, I'm not all that surprised. For a lot of folks, denialism >> isn't about what is, but rather what ISN'T: Moon landing denialists will >> gladly accommodate flat-Earthers, orbit-onlyists, >> fake-landings-real-pictures, fake-pictures-real-landings, and even >> "secret nazi base on the far side of the Moon" crackpots, as long as >> they all agree that the official account is somehow bogus. > > Well, that's possibly closer the issue, as you, me and pretty much all > other contributors to TO on the science side are dead, we just > did not get the memo yet - the bioengineered Covid vaccine killed > us all, as planned by the oligarchs, for reasons unknown. Or so > Kalkidas > Wasn't it Nando who was sure we'd all be dead by now? Was he an alter-ego of Kalkidas? Chris