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From: badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: Too bad nospam can't see this: Apple adds call recording
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Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2024 02:06:29 -0000 (UTC)
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Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
> On 2024-08-12 12:53, badgolferman wrote:
>> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>> On 2024-08-12 10:22, badgolferman wrote:
>>>> Alan wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> On 2024-08-12 09:40, badgolferman wrote:
>>>>>> Alan wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> All you've discovered is that the metrics for declaring death are
>>>>>>> wrong.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Death, by definition, is that state from which you cannot come
>>>>>>> back.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> This is no different than when doctors used to believe that no
>>>>>>> heartbeat was definitive proof of death.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> When did you become a doctor?
>>>>> 
>>>>> One doesn't have to be a doctor to realize that there is a difference
>>>>> between how we DECIDE if someone is dead vs whether or not they are
>>>>> actually dead.
>>>> 
>>>> Well, all those doctors declared these people back from the dead.  That
>>>> contradicts the original declaration that no one recovers from the
>>>> death.
>>> 
>>> All the doctors who didn't have the tools to determine if there was
>>> brain activity declared people dead and they weren't dead eithers.
>>> 
>>> No one recovers from being actually dead.
>>> 
>>> People DO recover from being declared dead.
>>> 
>>> Is that simple enough for you?
>>> 
>>> A doctor declaring someone dead does not mean they are ACTUALLY dead.
>>> 
>>> A long time ago, scientists declared that the sun revolved around the earth.
>>> 
>>> Do you get me yet?
>>> 
>> 
>> The article I posted was describing an incident from 2008. Do they qualify
>> as backward superstitious doctors who can’t determine if people are dead?
> 
> They never seem "backward" or "superstitious" in recent history, but 
> they simply didn't have the tools.
> 
>> 
>> I’m sure you’re way smarter than they were so you can likely answer that
>> question.
> 
> I don't have to be smarter to know that as science evolves we learn more 
> and more.
> 
> The doctors in the (say) 1950s (or at some earlier time) declared people 
> dead based on the lack of a pulse. Were they "backward" or 
> "superstitious" based on the fact that we learned that the heart could 
> be restarted?
> 
> 

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