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Path: ...!3.eu.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: HHH maps its input to the behavior specified by it --- never reaches its halt state ---natural number mapping Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2024 09:29:06 +0200 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 35 Message-ID: <v9f203$3pfoq$1@dont-email.me> References: <v8jh7m$30k55$1@dont-email.me> <v8ll4v$3h8m2$1@dont-email.me> <cbde765b8f9e769930b6c8589556907a41d9c256@i2pn2.org> <v8lm80$3h8m2$3@dont-email.me> <v8n6mq$3tv07$3@dont-email.me> <v8o14v$30uf$1@dont-email.me> <950d4eed7965040e841a970d48d5b6f417ff43dc@i2pn2.org> <v8oj1n$6kik$3@dont-email.me> <v8pvke$ih0a$1@dont-email.me> <4-qdnbdw1JzlRS37nZ2dnZfqlJydnZ2d@giganews.com> <v8v7p3$29r2r$1@dont-email.me> <v8vub1$32fso$14@dont-email.me> <1e1fa9bc4bbc00aa65c1a7974bd1bda87687c92b@i2pn2.org> <v90di8$38oni$1@dont-email.me> <47a76378d634bf0db4017f879d0160793b57125e@i2pn2.org> <v9161o$3gaju$1@dont-email.me> <b84374e766c199e1ba38ef1dc3bc8f6ab2c39dfc@i2pn2.org> <v91i97$3n4m0$1@dont-email.me> <v91unh$3rbor$1@dont-email.me> <v92gja$p1$3@dont-email.me> <v94m0l$ljf4$1@dont-email.me> <v95ae9$p5rb$1@dont-email.me> <v978dv$h1ib$1@dont-email.me> <v97j0q$ilah$2@dont-email.me> <v99lpd$25ri3$1@dont-email.me> <v9a88e$2923f$2@dont-email.me> <v9b4tr$2rdni$1@dont-email.me> <v9cvv5$39tbd$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2024 09:29:07 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="88fe018fd7c65de78f82e53bbf822309"; logging-data="3981082"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/G9oRkkO/y59pRkA8fW3gC" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:RP5dG+UrjLhrVr5DtXpqiEtsbgU= In-Reply-To: <v9cvv5$39tbd$1@dont-email.me> Content-Language: en-GB Bytes: 3451 Op 12.aug.2024 om 14:42 schreef olcott: > On 8/11/2024 2:54 PM, Fred. Zwarts wrote: >> Op 11.aug.2024 om 13:45 schreef olcott: >>> >>> void DDD() >>> { >>> HHH(DDD); >>> return; >>> } >>> >>> None-the-less it is clear that of the above specified infinite >>> set DDD correctly emulated by each element of that set never >>> reaches its own "return" instruction halt state. >> >> Since no DDD is correctly simulated by HHH, we are talking about the >> properties of an empty set. >> But, indeed, the simulation of DDD by HHH fails to reach the halt >> state. It aborts one cycle before the simulated HHH would reach its >> 'return' instruction, after which DDD would reach its halt state. >> >>> >>> My words must be understandable by ordinary C programmers >>> and computer scientists. The latter tend to conclude that >>> my work is incorrect as soon as they know the subject matter >>> before actually seeing what I said. >>> >> Every C programmer understands that a simulation fails if it does not >> reach the end of a halting program. > > Four expert C programmers (two with masters degrees in > computer science) agree that DDD correctly simulated by > HHH does not halt. > Many more experts with master degrees tell you that it does halt. Show evidence instead of authority.