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From: badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com>
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Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2024 09:10:04 -0000 (UTC)
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Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
> On 2024-08-12 19:06, badgolferman wrote:
>> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>> On 2024-08-12 12:53, badgolferman wrote:
>>>> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>> On 2024-08-12 10:22, badgolferman wrote:
>>>>>> Alan wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 2024-08-12 09:40, badgolferman wrote:
>>>>>>>> Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> All you've discovered is that the metrics for declaring death are
>>>>>>>>> wrong.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Death, by definition, is that state from which you cannot come
>>>>>>>>> back.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> This is no different than when doctors used to believe that no
>>>>>>>>> heartbeat was definitive proof of death.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> When did you become a doctor?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> One doesn't have to be a doctor to realize that there is a difference
>>>>>>> between how we DECIDE if someone is dead vs whether or not they are
>>>>>>> actually dead.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Well, all those doctors declared these people back from the dead.  That
>>>>>> contradicts the original declaration that no one recovers from the
>>>>>> death.
>>>>> 
>>>>> All the doctors who didn't have the tools to determine if there was
>>>>> brain activity declared people dead and they weren't dead eithers.
>>>>> 
>>>>> No one recovers from being actually dead.
>>>>> 
>>>>> People DO recover from being declared dead.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Is that simple enough for you?
>>>>> 
>>>>> A doctor declaring someone dead does not mean they are ACTUALLY dead.
>>>>> 
>>>>> A long time ago, scientists declared that the sun revolved around the earth.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Do you get me yet?
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> The article I posted was describing an incident from 2008. Do they qualify
>>>> as backward superstitious doctors who can’t determine if people are dead?
>>> 
>>> They never seem "backward" or "superstitious" in recent history, but
>>> they simply didn't have the tools.
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> I’m sure you’re way smarter than they were so you can likely answer that
>>>> question.
>>> 
>>> I don't have to be smarter to know that as science evolves we learn more
>>> and more.
>>> 
>>> The doctors in the (say) 1950s (or at some earlier time) declared people
>>> dead based on the lack of a pulse. Were they "backward" or
>>> "superstitious" based on the fact that we learned that the heart could
>>> be restarted?
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> https://youtu.be/3AZnv1GBLw4?si=cY20vQss7FGSknmP
>> 
>> 
> 
> Sorry, but I don't go search for what you want to say in videos.
> 
> Do you understand that doctors (science) currently have incomplete 
> information about what actually constitutes whether or not a person is 
> ACTUALLY dead?
> 
> Yes or no.
> 
> Answer that, and we can move on to the next question.
> 

Did you even look at the video?