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Path: ...!fu-berlin.de!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: HHH maps its input to the behavior specified by it --- never reaches its halt state ---natural number mapping Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2024 07:55:48 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 60 Message-ID: <v9fl4k$3se8c$2@dont-email.me> References: <v8jh7m$30k55$1@dont-email.me> <cbde765b8f9e769930b6c8589556907a41d9c256@i2pn2.org> <v8lm80$3h8m2$3@dont-email.me> <v8n6mq$3tv07$3@dont-email.me> <v8o14v$30uf$1@dont-email.me> <950d4eed7965040e841a970d48d5b6f417ff43dc@i2pn2.org> <v8oj1n$6kik$3@dont-email.me> <v8pvke$ih0a$1@dont-email.me> <4-qdnbdw1JzlRS37nZ2dnZfqlJydnZ2d@giganews.com> <v8v7p3$29r2r$1@dont-email.me> <v8vub1$32fso$14@dont-email.me> <1e1fa9bc4bbc00aa65c1a7974bd1bda87687c92b@i2pn2.org> <v90di8$38oni$1@dont-email.me> <47a76378d634bf0db4017f879d0160793b57125e@i2pn2.org> <v9161o$3gaju$1@dont-email.me> <b84374e766c199e1ba38ef1dc3bc8f6ab2c39dfc@i2pn2.org> <v91i97$3n4m0$1@dont-email.me> <v91unh$3rbor$1@dont-email.me> <v92gja$p1$3@dont-email.me> <v94m0l$ljf4$1@dont-email.me> <v95ae9$p5rb$1@dont-email.me> <v978dv$h1ib$1@dont-email.me> <v97j0q$ilah$2@dont-email.me> <v99lpd$25ri3$1@dont-email.me> <v9a88e$2923f$2@dont-email.me> <v9b4tr$2rdni$1@dont-email.me> <v9cvv5$39tbd$1@dont-email.me> <v9f203$3pfoq$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2024 14:55:48 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="5789d119f15570941a39cdb59159ffa5"; logging-data="4077836"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+E4RjZbd24aaS1mqn+XhEa" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:DlEF9qFZMUW+418ReLMKrdYB9ws= In-Reply-To: <v9f203$3pfoq$1@dont-email.me> Content-Language: en-US Bytes: 4431 On 8/13/2024 2:29 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote: > Op 12.aug.2024 om 14:42 schreef olcott: >> On 8/11/2024 2:54 PM, Fred. Zwarts wrote: >>> Op 11.aug.2024 om 13:45 schreef olcott: >>>> >>>> void DDD() >>>> { >>>> HHH(DDD); >>>> return; >>>> } >>>> >>>> None-the-less it is clear that of the above specified infinite >>>> set DDD correctly emulated by each element of that set never >>>> reaches its own "return" instruction halt state. >>> >>> Since no DDD is correctly simulated by HHH, we are talking about the >>> properties of an empty set. >>> But, indeed, the simulation of DDD by HHH fails to reach the halt >>> state. It aborts one cycle before the simulated HHH would reach its >>> 'return' instruction, after which DDD would reach its halt state. >>> >>>> >>>> My words must be understandable by ordinary C programmers >>>> and computer scientists. The latter tend to conclude that >>>> my work is incorrect as soon as they know the subject matter >>>> before actually seeing what I said. >>>> >>> Every C programmer understands that a simulation fails if it does not >>> reach the end of a halting program. >> >> Four expert C programmers (two with masters degrees in >> computer science) agree that DDD correctly simulated by >> HHH does not halt. >> > Many more experts with master degrees tell you that it does halt. > Show evidence instead of authority. *Every attempt at rebutting this has been* (a) Denying verified facts (b) Strawman-deception of changing what I said and rebutting that (c) Pure ad hominem insults with zero reasoning Mike is the only one here that seems to have enough technical skill to understand the verified facts. Everyone else denies them entirely on the basis of their own ignorance. Overview of proof that the input to HHH(DDD) specifies non-halting behavior We prove that the simulation is correct. Then we prove that this simulation cannot possibly reach its final halt state / ever stop running without being aborted. The semantics of the x86 language conclusive proves this is true. Thus when we measure the behavior specified by this finite string by DDD correctly simulated/emulated by HHH it specifies non-halting behavior. -- Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer