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Path: ...!3.eu.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> Newsgroups: misc.phone.mobile.iphone Subject: Re: Too bad nospam can't see this: Apple adds call recording to iOS 18 Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2024 07:57:16 -0700 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 86 Message-ID: <v9fs8c$3u8km$4@dont-email.me> References: <v89e2i$1jjn$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com> <v8pedc$14gob$1@news.mixmin.net> <v8v20r$281td$2@dont-email.me> <lcOcnQk0BcyX9Sj7nZ2dnZfqnPWdnZ2d@giganews.com> <v979f1$h7ef$1@dont-email.me> <v993a3$105ka$1@dont-email.me> <v99tlt$274vt$1@dont-email.me> <v9a3r0$12h97$1@solani.org> <v9c3l3$34l19$1@dont-email.me> <xn0oph1kt3z6flm000@reader443.eternal-september.org> <v9d7oo$3bb12$1@dont-email.me> <xn0oph7l647atky002@reader443.eternal-september.org> <v9db8h$3c4g7$1@dont-email.me> <xn0oph9ty4aeib1004@reader443.eternal-september.org> <v9dg6r$3caij$4@dont-email.me> <xn0ophayo4bwa4a005@reader443.eternal-september.org> <v9djof$3cajp$2@dont-email.me> <v9dp7f$14d1j$1@solani.org> <v9dsjc$3fa3o$1@dont-email.me> <v9ef35$15h4l$1@solani.org> <v9efpu$3iasl$1@dont-email.me> <v9f7tc$156re$1@solani.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2024 16:57:17 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="6fb3ff4bc55d0f31a78abd7f24b8e54d"; logging-data="4137622"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+yu/BYVb0VE+REbWYLnHzh6UsBLR/NDeU=" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:JQK72g7alyKWttb47obZSakw9Bs= Content-Language: en-CA In-Reply-To: <v9f7tc$156re$1@solani.org> Bytes: 4841 On 2024-08-13 02:10, badgolferman wrote: > Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote: >> On 2024-08-12 19:06, badgolferman wrote: >>> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote: >>>> On 2024-08-12 12:53, badgolferman wrote: >>>>> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote: >>>>>> On 2024-08-12 10:22, badgolferman wrote: >>>>>>> Alan wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 2024-08-12 09:40, badgolferman wrote: >>>>>>>>> Alan wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> All you've discovered is that the metrics for declaring death are >>>>>>>>>> wrong. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Death, by definition, is that state from which you cannot come >>>>>>>>>> back. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> This is no different than when doctors used to believe that no >>>>>>>>>> heartbeat was definitive proof of death. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> When did you become a doctor? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> One doesn't have to be a doctor to realize that there is a difference >>>>>>>> between how we DECIDE if someone is dead vs whether or not they are >>>>>>>> actually dead. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Well, all those doctors declared these people back from the dead. That >>>>>>> contradicts the original declaration that no one recovers from the >>>>>>> death. >>>>>> >>>>>> All the doctors who didn't have the tools to determine if there was >>>>>> brain activity declared people dead and they weren't dead eithers. >>>>>> >>>>>> No one recovers from being actually dead. >>>>>> >>>>>> People DO recover from being declared dead. >>>>>> >>>>>> Is that simple enough for you? >>>>>> >>>>>> A doctor declaring someone dead does not mean they are ACTUALLY dead. >>>>>> >>>>>> A long time ago, scientists declared that the sun revolved around the earth. >>>>>> >>>>>> Do you get me yet? >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The article I posted was describing an incident from 2008. Do they qualify >>>>> as backward superstitious doctors who can’t determine if people are dead? >>>> >>>> They never seem "backward" or "superstitious" in recent history, but >>>> they simply didn't have the tools. >>>> >>>>> >>>>> I’m sure you’re way smarter than they were so you can likely answer that >>>>> question. >>>> >>>> I don't have to be smarter to know that as science evolves we learn more >>>> and more. >>>> >>>> The doctors in the (say) 1950s (or at some earlier time) declared people >>>> dead based on the lack of a pulse. Were they "backward" or >>>> "superstitious" based on the fact that we learned that the heart could >>>> be restarted? >>>> >>>> >>> >>> https://youtu.be/3AZnv1GBLw4?si=cY20vQss7FGSknmP >>> >>> >> >> Sorry, but I don't go search for what you want to say in videos. >> >> Do you understand that doctors (science) currently have incomplete >> information about what actually constitutes whether or not a person is >> ACTUALLY dead? >> >> Yes or no. >> >> Answer that, and we can move on to the next question. >> > > Did you even look at the video? > Yup. Now answer my question.