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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written Subject: Re: The Conservative Case For Sauron Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2024 13:25:41 -0400 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 40 Message-ID: <v9g4ul$14i$1@dont-email.me> References: <v9ekr8$3nh0f$1@dont-email.me> <v9fmer$3t82u$1@dont-email.me> <6r0nbjti66l951hlkujpih4fvvhjl9q8gg@4ax.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2024 19:25:42 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="d8044b1a903c5df5f8260e8706963dbb"; logging-data="1170"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19Pe8oEF2SoKsQBMjOrBtPPxpAO/CL3j9M=" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:dvEh28/MijCg2eCdfTxomCUPEqE= Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <6r0nbjti66l951hlkujpih4fvvhjl9q8gg@4ax.com> Bytes: 2876 On 8/13/2024 12:05 PM, Paul S Person wrote: > On Tue, 13 Aug 2024 08:18:19 -0500, "Michael F. Stemper" > <michael.stemper@gmail.com> wrote: > >> On 12/08/2024 22.44, Kevrob wrote: >>> From the Federalist: >>> >>> [quote] >>> >>> As for the line of the Kings, they shall never return, and it is time for real conservatives, guided by Burkean realism, to accept it. >>> >>> That’s why, this election season, I am following my conservative principles and supporting a leader with a real vision for Gondor: the Lord of Barad-dûr, the Lord of Angband, Gorthaur, known to the electorate as Sauron the Great. >>> >>> [/quote] >>> >>> https://thefederalist.com/2024/08/12/the-conservative-case-for-sauron/ >> >> Thanks for posting that. But, "Gorthaur"? Is that name in _The Silmarillion_? >> I don't recall encountering it before. > > /The History of Middle Earth Index/ shows it occurring in Vol XI as > the Sindarin name of Sauron, replacing the Noldorin Gorthu . > > So, the author being quoted is ... a Sinda. Lets not forget Kirill Yeskov's "The Last Ringbearer", which tells of the Ring War from the Orc's POV. You're aware the LOTR is pure Elvish propaganda, I hope? "This, then, was the yeast on which Barad-dur rose six centuries ago, that amazing city of alchemists and poets, mechanics and astronomers, philosophers and physicians, the heart of the only civilization in Middle Earth to bet on rational knowledge and bravely pitch its barely adolescent technology against ancient magic. The shining tower of the Barad-dur citadel rose over the plains of Mordor almost as high as Orodruin like a monument to Man free Man who had politely but firmly declined the guardianship of the Dwellers on High and started living by his own reason." pt