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From: John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: 1972 Legnano in the news
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2024 10:59:36 +0700
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On Thu, 14 Nov 2024 10:48:18 -0500, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>On 11/14/2024 3:28 AM, John B. wrote:
>> On Wed, 13 Nov 2024 23:58:59 -0500, Frank Krygowski
>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> 
>>> On 11/13/2024 11:44 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 13 Nov 2024 15:01:19 -0500, Frank Krygowski
>>>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>> BTW, the last such crash was less than two weeks ago. The guy in
>>>>> question moved to the center of the trail to avoid a thick coating of
>>>>> leaves. But in the center were some chunks of broken tree branches, over
>>>>> an inch thick. He hit those and went down, breaking several ribs.
>>>>>
>>>> Lets see... a guy is riding on a bike path and comes upon an
>>>> obstruction and assumes that he can ride over the obstruction but
>>>> can't and so falls....and that's the path's fault?
>>> I think it's more likely that he simply didn't see the chunks of wood.
>>> He certainly should have been paying attention. He apparently forgot
>>> that paths get many more leaves, branches and other debris.
>>>
>>> I mentioned here that within the past year, one of my best riding
>>> friends crashed on a bike path. In his case, tree roots had lifted
>>> large, sharp ridges across the path surface. He said he was looking at
>>> something off to the side and didn't see the ridges. I do know of some
>>> of those ridges on two different bike trails that I occasionally use,
>>> and I know to watch for them and warn friends when we approach them.
>>>
>>> I also remember two different club members who crashed on a different
>>> local bike trail due to slippery, slimy mud that had washed across the
>>> trail where it had a significant side-to-side slope. One of those guys
>>> suffered a dislocated shoulder in the crash.
>>>
>>> Those things are all hazards that almost never occur on a normal road.
>>> Car tires tend to remove debris, and road maintenance people don't allow
>>> things like sharp ridges to remain in the pavement. Motorists would not
>>> put up with those.
>> 
>> 
>> You are simply repeating the same thing, over and over,  an
>> obstruction on the path and the rider doesn't see it or ignores it and
>> the trail is at fault.
>
>I'm explaining why bike paths have been found to cause more crashes per 
>kilometer than ordinary roads.
>
>Apparently, for certain people to understand why, it's necessary to 
>repeat the information.
>
>Not that I mind. Any competent teacher knows that people seldom really 
>grasp a new fact the first time they hear it.

You post:
"in the center were some chunks of broken tree branches, over
an inch thick. He hit those and went down"

" tree roots had lifted
 large, sharp ridges across the path surface. He said he was looking
at  something off to the side"

"who crashed on a different  local bike trail due to slippery, slimy
mud that had washed across the  trail where it had a significant
side-to-side slope. "

I comment that 
"Lets see... a guy is riding on a bike path and comes upon an
obstruction and assumes that he can ride over the obstruction but
can't and so falls....and that's the path's fault?"

All your examples show, from your descriptions, a definite lack of
attention on the part of the Cyclist.

Who (can't)"really grasp a new fact the first time they hear it."? Or,
in  your case, the third they say it.

 
-- 
Cheers,

John B.