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From: Bobbie Sellers <blissInSanFrancisco@mouse-potato.com>
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Subject: Re: Pearls Before Swine: Rat The Luddite
Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2024 11:17:01 -0700
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On 8/14/24 09:12, Scott Lurndal wrote:
> Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> writes:
>> On Tue, 13 Aug 2024 22:15:25 -0700, The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 08 Aug 2024 18:35:55 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The only solution is to completely eliminate single-use
>>>> plastics.    I'd even go so far as to include milk and
>>>> juice jugs in that ban (glass is far more recyclable
>>>> and aside shipping weight, similar in cost).
>>>>
>>>> Paper milk cartons can eliminate the plastic lid.
>>>
>>> What does "single use" mean? I understand in the context of fast food
>>> cups but how about less common items like those 4 liter milk jugs I
> 
> As noted below, I explicitly included 4liter/1gallon milk jugs.
> 
>>> get my milk in (and generally put out each week in the recycling bin)
>>> or similar such items - for instance my cheddar comes wrapped in
>>> plastic and once the cheese is eaten, that plastic wrapper isn't
>>> getting used again <grin>
> 
> Cheese was available for purchase before plastic packaging
> was invented.
> 
>>
>> He is explicitly including milk and juice, suggesting we go back to
>> glass.
>>
>> Which is fine, so long as, when I drop one on the floor and it breaks,
>> he comes over, cleans up the mess, and gives me my money back.
> 
> Why should I pay for your clumsiness?
> 
>>
>> Plastic jugs don't break as often, although I suppose you could get
>> one to do so if you tried hard enough.
> 
> Some plastic jugs have screw on lids, others have press-on. Guess
> what happens when you drop the latter?
> 
>>
>> There is a /reason/ we replaced glass with plastic, at least in some
>> cases.
> 
> The primary reason is shipping weight.
> 
>>
>> Interestingly, while, until they were banned, one-time-use plastic
>> shopping bags were taxed (as were and still are papter one-time-use
>> paper bags), smaller bags used to contain fruits and veggies were
>> exempt, despite clearly being one-time-use.
> 
> The Trader Joe's produce bags are biodegradable.
> 

	So are those of many other stores.  I shop Rainbow
Grocery, Trader Joe's, Safeway and the Local Farmer's Market.
The Farmers market uses non-composable but reusable bags
which I use to get more produce and to carry out some other
trash when they get too bad to be used again. I have canvas
bags, containing more modern plastic bags and a small
insulateed bag and have several of the washable paper bags
from Trader Joe's.  Walgreen's still has plastic bags
which i use until they disintegrate for various matters.
For example I wrap library books in the sturdy Walgreen's
bags.

	When I was a kid in the 1940s and early '50s, the
butcher wrapped cheese and meat in butcher paper,  perhaps
with a strong waxed sheet of paper around it.
	Soft drinks came in reusable bottles and you could
return them to the store for the deposit.  That was how
I earned some extra cash over my allowance.
	Milk came in glass bottles including half pints
pints and quarts.  But waxed paper worked very well but
it seems that the simple milk carton with the folded
pour spout must be patented as the modern milks of
vegetable origin have invented complex plastic spouts.
(I got allergic to animal casein protein on my journey
halfway through life as I presently know it.)

	bliss

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