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From: William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: Pearls Before Swine: Rat The Luddite
Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2024 16:40:32 -0400
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Paul S Person wrote:
> On Tue, 13 Aug 2024 22:15:25 -0700, The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca>
> wrote:
> 
>> On Thu, 08 Aug 2024 18:35:55 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
>> wrote:
>>
>>> The only solution is to completely eliminate single-use
>>> plastics.    I'd even go so far as to include milk and
>>> juice jugs in that ban (glass is far more recyclable
>>> and aside shipping weight, similar in cost).
>>>
>>> Paper milk cartons can eliminate the plastic lid.
>>
>> What does "single use" mean? I understand in the context of fast food
>> cups but how about less common items like those 4 liter milk jugs I
>> get my milk in (and generally put out each week in the recycling bin)
>> or similar such items - for instance my cheddar comes wrapped in
>> plastic and once the cheese is eaten, that plastic wrapper isn't
>> getting used again <grin>
> 
> He is explicitly including milk and juice, suggesting we go back to
> glass.
> 
> Which is fine, so long as, when I drop one on the floor and it breaks,
> he comes over, cleans up the mess, and gives me my money back.
> 
> Plastic jugs don't break as often, although I suppose you could get
> one to do so if you tried hard enough.
> 
> There is a /reason/ we replaced glass with plastic, at least in some
> cases.
> 
> Interestingly, while, until they were banned, one-time-use plastic
> shopping bags were taxed (as were and still are papter one-time-use
> paper bags), smaller bags used to contain fruits and veggies were
> exempt, despite clearly being one-time-use.
> 
> The plastic and paper bags, of course, were merely /intended/ for
> one-time use. They could be, and were by some, used again and again
> and again.



I used the same plastic bag for three years, approximately 200 trips to 
the grocery store.  I kept it wadded up in a corner of my backpack, 
where it didn't take up space needed by more valuable things, like books.

They are really quite durable, but I didn't care to run a 
test-to-destruction with my groceries and replaced it.

The polyester bags take up far to much space, so I generally don't have 
one with me. I still carry a plastic bag.

When I order online my food comes delivered in thirteen or fourteen 
bags, so they are basically "single use polyester bags".


William Hyde